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Posted by: Vilita Apr 29 2012, 05:00 PM
A few folks have been asking if we will be having an AOCAF tournament since the World Cup has ended and the other regions are starting up tournaments to coincide with the end of the World Cup as well.

Please post here and indicate if you wish to signup and/or host the next AOCAF (Or if you don't want to participate yet say as much too).


Criteria for entry: Must be a nation of AO. Puppets are allowed If they have been in the region for a while and/or have a place on the map or pending claim

Proposed timeline:

Host Bids Due: By Wednesday
Voting (If necessary): By Friday/Saturday

Roster/RP Threads Open: Saturday for population over the weekend before any scoring begins


Confirmed Current Signups (21):

Vilita & Turori
Carpathia and Ruthenia
Osarius
New West Guinea
Kiryu-Shi
Kagdazka and Pazhujebu
New Montreal States
Legalese
Falcania
Ipeland
The Icemark
Andossa Se Mitrin Vega
Dorian and Sonya
Milchama
Audioslavia
Pacitalia
Valanora
The Bear Islands
Cafundeu
95X
Hutt River (Puppet of Ipeland)

Standby Signups (if Numbers are needed only)
Turori (Puppet of Vilita)
The Islands of Qutar (Puppet of Carpathia & Ruthenia

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar Apr 29 2012, 05:25 PM
Carpathia and Ruthenia will sign up for definite and will put forward a bid to host.

My puppet The Islands of Qutar would also sign up, since I think it meets the entry criteria.

Posted by: Osarius Apr 29 2012, 05:33 PM
Sign us up like a prolific on-loan striker.

Posted by: West Guiana Apr 29 2012, 06:02 PM
i'll will be in, might find time this time to rp.

Posted by: Kiryu-shi Apr 29 2012, 06:03 PM
I'll sign up.

Posted by: Kagdazka Apr 29 2012, 06:33 PM
Kagdazka and Pazhujebu are in.

Posted by: New Montreal States Apr 29 2012, 06:41 PM
Sign us up!

Posted by: Legalese Apr 29 2012, 08:27 PM
So yeah, the defending Hosts are certainly going to show up ;-)

Posted by: Falcania Apr 29 2012, 08:35 PM
You know what? Screw it. Falcania will send a team to AOCAF to do battle on the glorious pitch of something something honour something something glory.

Posted by: Ipeland Apr 29 2012, 11:46 PM
Signing up again.

I think Hutt River qualifies for the criteria as well, so sign them up too

Posted by: The Icemark Apr 30 2012, 01:01 AM
The Icemark shall return

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Apr 30 2012, 01:24 AM
We shall be back in as well

Posted by: Dorian and Sonya Apr 30 2012, 07:02 AM
in again

Posted by: Milchama Apr 30 2012, 09:09 AM
Yeah sure what the hell, Milchama is in!

Posted by: Audioslavia Apr 30 2012, 01:29 PM
Audioslavia will do the kicky-football thing in Atlantian Oceania once again.

Posted by: Pacitalia Apr 30 2012, 05:04 PM
I'm in, as always, but I thought we had agreed after 34 had ended to delay the next Cup for a bit to make sure there was more interest/more participation?

Posted by: Vilita Apr 30 2012, 07:36 PM
QUOTE (Pacitalia @ Apr 30 2012, 06:04 PM)
I'm in, as always, but I thought we had agreed after 34 had ended to delay the next Cup for a bit to make sure there was more interest/more participation?

Yea, thats why i hadn't started a thread sooner. But when i started getting requests to open it up, I took that to mean interest, and thereby participation, might be there after all. 15 signups so far

Posted by: Pacitalia Apr 30 2012, 11:58 PM
QUOTE (Vilita @ Apr 30 2012, 04:36 PM)
QUOTE (Pacitalia @ Apr 30 2012, 06:04 PM)
I'm in, as always, but I thought we had agreed after 34 had ended to delay the next Cup for a bit to make sure there was more interest/more participation?

Yea, thats why i hadn't started a thread sooner. But when i started getting requests to open it up, I took that to mean interest, and thereby participation, might be there after all. 15 signups so far

There will always be signups. wink.gif

By interest/participation I meant people actually had enough of a break that we have more than three-four players consistently posting something past the initial roster, something we haven't had for a while because there's usually only 1-2 months layover between Cups.

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 1 2012, 11:08 AM
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Scorination: Will be using the SQIS formula (not with xkoranate though, I'll be using the original version it was first scoranated on).

Format: Group Stage (round-robin), followed by knockout phase. The knockout phase will depend on numbers of signups, with the 16-24 signups, the group stage will go into the quarter-finals, with over 24 the group stage will go into the round of 16.

Venues: Stadia will be announced in the RP thread.

Referees: There will be a call for nations to submit a team of 1-3 referees that will be assigned matches in the group phase, and then from that pool referees will be chosen for the knockout phase matches.

Sign-ups: Since Pacitalia brought up the issue, I would be quite happy to delay the end of sign-ups for a week to allow as many participants as possible.

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 1 2012, 11:40 AM
RP Bonus: Will be a degrading bonus, with the last two RPs contributing to the bonus, combined with a separate non-degrading bonus for the roster.

EDIT: Also might it be best to move the Signup thread to the Nationstates forums to give as many people a chance to sign up, I'm guessing not everyone in AO has an account here?

Posted by: Vilita May 1 2012, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (The Islands of Qutar @ May 1 2012, 12:40 PM)
RP Bonus: Will be a degrading bonus, with the last two RPs contributing to the bonus, combined with a separate non-degrading bonus for the roster.

EDIT: Also might it be best to move the Signup thread to the Nationstates forums to give as many people a chance to sign up, I'm guessing not everyone in AO has an account here?

If they don't, then they are either a random puppet, or just inactive. You can't get on the map without an account here. Are you thinking of someone in particular who doesn't have an account?

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 1 2012, 08:47 PM
QUOTE (Vilita @ May 2 2012, 02:13 AM)
Are you thinking of someone in particular who doesn't have an account?


No was just guessing

Posted by: Valanora May 1 2012, 10:43 PM
We'll return, aye.

Posted by: Vilita May 1 2012, 11:13 PM
Your bid leaves some questions:

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user posted image

Scorination: Will be using the SQIS formula (not with xkoranate though, I'll be using the original version it was first scoranated on).


What benefit do you see in this?

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Format: Group Stage (round-robin), followed by knockout phase. The knockout phase will depend on numbers of signups, with the 16-24 signups, the group stage will go into the quarter-finals, with over 24 the group stage will go into the round of 16.


How many round robin matches? Home and away or single-legs at a neutral venue (your nation)
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Venues: Stadia will be announced in the RP thread.


Where will these Venues be? Neither Carpathia and Ruthenia or The Islands of Qutar is located on the AO Map, nor has a pending map claim to be added to the AO Map. One could question allowing a nation that has not competed in the previous AOCAF, nor has any land in AO currently, to be an IC host venue to its most prestigious competition. Also, your C&R Host bid appears to have been posted by your puppet, Qutar, adding to the confusion

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Sign-ups: Since Pacitalia brought up the issue, I would be quite happy to delay the end of sign-ups for a week to allow as many participants as possible.


I doubt you will get many additional signups by waiting an additional week, this is not an open signup tournament, those nations that wish to join will join, and those that won't are either not currently interested, or inactive.

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RP Bonus: Will be a degrading bonus, with the last two RPs contributing to the bonus, combined with a separate non-degrading bonus for the roster.


So in this, could a nation say, RP twice before the Cup Begins, then, not RP again the rest of the cup, and maintain their High-Bonus? Is it truly the last two RPs, or simply RPs from the previous two matchdays? Either way, I'm not sure of the benefit to either system. Capping RP bonus isn't a horrible idea, but its not clear how you are planning to do it here.

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 2 2012, 08:13 AM
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Scorination: Will be using the SQIS formula (not with xkoranate though, I'll be using the original version it was first scoranated on).


What benefit do you see in this?


The benefit I see from this is that as far as I can tell from the source of xkoranate, that it doesn't score extra time and penalties in the same way as the original version, and as the Q in SQIS I'd prefer to use the formula as originally intended.

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Format: Group Stage (round-robin), followed by knockout phase. The knockout phase will depend on numbers of signups, with the 16-24 signups, the group stage will go into the quarter-finals, with over 24 the group stage will go into the round of 16.


How many round robin matches? Home and away or single-legs at a neutral venue (your nation)


I thought round-robin meant each team plays each other only once. So that is what I mean single-legs at at neutral venue in Carpathia and Ruthenia

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Venues: Stadia will be announced in the RP thread.


Where will these Venues be? Neither Carpathia and Ruthenia or The Islands of Qutar is located on the AO Map, nor has a pending map claim to be added to the AO Map. One could question allowing a nation that has not competed in the previous AOCAF, nor has any land in AO currently, to be an IC host venue to its most prestigious competition. Also, your C&R Host bid appears to have been posted by your puppet, Qutar, adding to the confusion


These venues will be Stadia in Carpathia and Ruthenia, I'm quite happy to make a map claim if that would somehow help people's RPs, although I'm not quite sure how having the venues shown on a map in necessary for an RP.

Also my puppet doesn't have an account here, so I posted using my Qutar account although I think it's clear to everyone that Carpathia and Ruthenia are the IC bid nation. Also to be fair the AO forums are not exactly active and since we've been having the AOCAF RP threads on the Nationstates forums I was planning on doing the same, in which case the confusion would not happen. If however it is vital that we do it on the AO Forums can you make me a C&R account

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Sign-ups: Since Pacitalia brought up the issue, I would be quite happy to delay the end of sign-ups for a week to allow as many participants as possible.


I doubt you will get many additional signups by waiting an additional week, this is not an open signup tournament, those nations that wish to join will join, and those that won't are either not currently interested, or inactive.


Well we certainly wouldn't lose any signups by waiting.

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RP Bonus: Will be a degrading bonus, with the last two RPs contributing to the bonus, combined with a separate non-degrading bonus for the roster.


So in this, could a nation say, RP twice before the Cup Begins, then, not RP again the rest of the cup, and maintain their High-Bonus? Is it truly the last two RPs, or simply RPs from the previous two matchdays? Either way, I'm not sure of the benefit to either system. Capping RP bonus isn't a horrible idea, but its not clear how you are planning to do it here.


Sorry should have made this more clear, by last two RPs I meant on the last two matchdays.

I'll explain more now, there will be a max RP Bonus of X KPB, and in your example if someone did a perfect RP at the beginning and never RPed again they'd have X KPB points in their bonus on MD1. Then the next matchday they'd have X/2 KPB points, then following matchday they'd have X/4 KPB points, then on MD4 they would have no bonus.

Posted by: Legalese May 2 2012, 05:23 PM
Question for C&R: It's been a long time since I've seen the actual SQIS formula. Any chance you could post it here, please?

Posted by: West Guiana May 2 2012, 07:09 PM
West Guiana AOCAF 35

Scorination: I'll use xkoranate, NSFS 3.0 formula which is the most commonly used in minor to major football/soccer competitions.

Format Right now we have 20 sign-ups (18 official), now the formats would be from 18 upwards to 28.

18 If 18 officially i'd pair them up into 3 groups of six, which would play a single round robin with the top two in each group advancing along with two wild cards.
20 Five groups of four double round robin, top two of each group advancing. With the four lowest seeds playing a special playoff bracket to see which two gets a place in the quarter-finals.
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Four groups of five, single round robin top two of each group advance on to qrt finals.
24 Six groups of four, single round robin, top two of each group plus four wild cards advance to round of 16.
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Four groups of six, single round robin, top two of each group advance to qrt-finals.
28 (unlikely) four groups of seven, with the top four of each group advancing to the round of 16.

Venues Detailed out in the official AOCAF 35 thread.

RP Bonus Rp bonus will be degraded, .2 pts for each match day some one doesn't rp. If some one never rped at all through out the whole competition, their bonus would obviously be 0. If it's not a match day and you don't rp, no pts would be degraded.

RP Bonuses:

0 - No rp
.25 - .5 - Poor
.5 - .75 - Good
.75 - 1.25 - Excellent

I judge quality over quantity.
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Eh, I though some competition would be good, one bid makes the Q&A process boring. Need to fire it up!

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Q: Did you think this bid out before posting.

A: Not really just how to organize the groups and knock-off stage.

Posted by: Pacitalia May 2 2012, 09:10 PM
Considering putting in a bid to host - I will make a decision in the next couple of days. It all depends on time; additionally, I will be out of town from May 21-26 so a Pacitalian-hosted tournament would not begin until after the latter date (or, alternately, the tournament would have a hiatus in the middle depending on when it starts).

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 3 2012, 08:14 AM
QUOTE (Legalese @ May 2 2012, 11:23 PM)
Question for C&R: It's been a long time since I've seen the actual SQIS formula.  Any chance you could post it here, please?

Sure thing

R = 0.9 +/- (0.07 - ((Smaller KPB/Larger KPB) * 0.07))

(Plus for the lower ranked team, and minus for the higher ranked team)

If one team is playing at home their value is modified

R(home) = R-(1-R)/3

And finally styles are taken into account

R = R-((team1style+team2style)/(maximumstyle*2.5))*(1-R)

(maximumstyle is as it suggests the maxmin style possible, so where style mods are between -5 and +5, the maximumstyle value would be 5)

Phew!

Now onto the scoring, each team gets 12 attacks in regular time. So for each attack a random number is generated and if it is greater than the R value for the team, a goal is scored!

In the case of extra time each team gets 4 extra attacks to score in.

And then in penalties each team's R value is divided by 4 (since penalties are more often scored than missed), then penalties happen! (This definately doesn't happen in xkoranate which leads to it being more likely to produce weird penalty results, hence me wanting to use Schia and my original scoranator)

Hosting Experience: I've hosted World Cup 30, Cup of Harmony 24 and 29 (Since I forgot to put this in my original post and now can't edit it in)

Posted by: The Bear Islands May 3 2012, 08:50 AM
The Bear Islands sign up...

but Armed Beers doesn't/dont, this time around.

Posted by: Vilita May 3 2012, 06:33 PM
QUOTE (Pacitalia @ May 2 2012, 10:10 PM)
Considering putting in a bid to host - I will make a decision in the next couple of days. It all depends on time; additionally, I will be out of town from May 21-26 so a Pacitalian-hosted tournament would not begin until after the latter date (or, alternately, the tournament would have a hiatus in the middle depending on when it starts).

Alternatively, If you posted a bid by Thursday, Elections would take place, MD1 Would be Tuesday or Wednesday and the whole tournament could be done by May 21 smile.gif

Posted by: Vilita May 4 2012, 06:15 AM
While we wait for the last host bid, rosters thread is posted so everyone has time to get a roster up: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=178087

The hosts will then open the RP/Scores thread

Posted by: Cafundéu May 5 2012, 12:34 AM
add the cafundelenses in

Posted by: 95X-Scottfire May 5 2012, 04:25 PM
95X makes a last-minute decision: we'd like to participate.

Posted by: Pacitalia May 5 2012, 09:13 PM
Upon reflection, I won't have the time to host this time around, so I'm bowing out. I will still be participating though. smile.gif

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega May 6 2012, 09:44 PM
If needed to make numbers work, i will add Zirakul to the list of entrants. I just dont have an account for that nation on these forums.

Posted by: Pacitalia May 6 2012, 11:50 PM
QUOTE (Andossa Se Mitrin Vega @ May 6 2012, 06:44 PM)
If needed to make numbers work, i will add Zirakul to the list of entrants. I just dont have an account for that nation on these forums.

Ditto Scandonia, if needed.

Posted by: Vilita May 8 2012, 05:27 AM
Carpathia and Ruthenia have been confirmed as the hosts of AOCAF 35 using the original SQIS.

Comisserations to New West Guinea, it was a very close vote! C&R, please get the RP thread up today so we can start NLT the weekend!

Posted by: Audioslavia May 8 2012, 10:15 AM
C+R, If you have your heart set on 24 entrants and have no takers for the final two spots then I'll gladly enter my puppet http://www.nationstates.net/nation=kjeligsted, which I'd be happy to RP as along with Audioslavia.

Kjeligsted does not, however, conform to either of the conditions noted in the RP thread ("Puppets are allowed If they have been in the region for a while and/or have a place on the map or pending claim."). Kjlegisted is the name of the island Audioslavia claims as its territory in AO (the tiny, tiny one at the top of the bit on the map with the number 5 over it) and so, ICly, has been in AO for five years (Audioslavian time). In real life, I only created it as a nation a week ago.

Very much a 'backup' plan smile.gif

Posted by: The Islands of Qutar May 8 2012, 12:13 PM
Thanks Audio

Posted by: New Pebble Island Jun 3 2012, 06:04 PM
New Pebble Island would like to make it's first AO tourney appearance, if it is not too late.

Posted by: Legalese Jun 3 2012, 08:19 PM
QUOTE (New Pebble Island @ Jun 3 2012, 07:04 PM)
New Pebble Island would like to make it's first AO tourney appearance, if it is not too late.

Yeah, you kind of missed this one by a few weeks. Check the NS forum for results.

Next one will probably be after qualifying, I suspect.

Posted by: New Pebble Island Jun 8 2012, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (Legalese @ Jun 3 2012, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE (New Pebble Island @ Jun 3 2012, 07:04 PM)
New Pebble Island would like to make it's first AO tourney appearance, if it is not too late.

Yeah, you kind of missed this one by a few weeks. Check the NS forum for results.

Next one will probably be after qualifying, I suspect.

thanks for the information, going there now.

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