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Crystilakere
Posted: May 30 2004, 12:58 AM
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Had Crystilakere not proven to be a menace to international trade, their internal problems would have gone overlooked.

Go back and look at the thread again SE. You attacked Crystilakeres internal problems immediately after crystilakere posted a ONE LINE question towards your country about the project. I hardly think that constitutes being a "menace to international trade." You started these shinanigans, don't blame it on Crystilakere.

You go look, it was only after you insisted I answer Crystilakere's stupid question. Why stupid? Because I had already answered it by my previous post. And then repeated it it, and then again. Only after I copy pasted my original post and pointed to you all exactly where your questions were answered, did the extansion pass. I never added anything but I had to repeat myself inumerable times for it to pass.

That a new port of trade in a very active area cannot be opened because one nation questions another on policies they themselves have a poor record with.

Not only were all the forthcoming questions pre-answered(should I say anticipated), but Soul Expression was stalled just so you could here us repeat ourselves over and over again.

Had Crystilakere put forth serious issues to debate,we might have understood. But all it was a bout was repeating ourselves over and over again because they didnt bother to read the original statement properly.

Their poor reading and comprehension have made them intercede in international affairs in a detrimental manner. Taking into accounts Crystilakere's poor record with civil rights, a lack of education is not surprising. Had the Crystilakermits hed a better education, they might not have misunderstood our intentions in our statements. The fact that our statements were , and may very well be again in the future, misunderstood, we believe something must be done about Crystilakere's poor educational standards in order to avoid any other unfortunate, possibly global, incidents.
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Posted: May 30 2004, 01:07 AM
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The Tropics of Vilita agree that a change in path of the Crystilakere ideals would be beneficial to all in the region, and in Crystilakere. However we do not feel the situation is currently at a level requiring external mediation. However, this stance would chance should the situation worsen.
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Posted: May 30 2004, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE (Vilita @ May 30 2004, 01:07 AM)
The Tropics of Vilita agree that a change in path of the Crystilakere ideals would be beneficial to all in the region, and in Crystilakere. However we do not feel the situation is currently at a level requiring external mediation. However, this stance would chance should the situation worsen.

I recommend that a diplomatic summit on the subject of Crystilakere be started. All nations(except possibly Crystil) will be allowed to send diplomats.
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Posted: May 30 2004, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Soul Expression @ May 28 2004, 11:02 PM)
Crystilakere has chosen to raise the issues of political freedoms and civil rights as important issues to be explored.

Soul Expression has studied the matter and has come to certain conclusions.
Crystilakere, although displaying contempt for civil rights, imposes its dictates on the matter, to nations that already have set higher standards in those fields than Crystilakere has.

We take this as a dangerous sign of megalomania and have decided to take action.

Soul Expression, initiates and encourages other nations to follow, a boycott of Crystilakere and implimentation of trade sanctions until Crystilakere recognizes its lack of civil rights and improves its internal policies in that respect

All but diplomatic relations have been interupted between Soul Expression and Crystilakere and will remain so until Crystilakere improves its treatment of human beings.

(ooc: just for your knowledge, its pretty damn hard to actually effectively get the political, civil, and economic ideals that you believe in in the game, for example, i have been striving for litterally a year to get my nation to the status of democratic socialist. I havent been able to. now, with Crystilakere i believe something of the same sort is at work.)

IC: The Holy Saints Federal government wishes to decline any recognition of Soul Expression's points as;
1. A countries leader may have different ideals than its actual nation, meaning even though a nation may have low freedoms, the leader believes in high freedoms for the rest of the world, but culturally/economically cannot implement similar values in their society.
2. A nation has no place in judging another nation in such a way and then declaring negative sanctions upon them.
3. In reference to point 2, the problem/dillema should be solved diplomatically with an accord reached.
4. Declaring economic sanctions such as mentioned by Soul Expression can have an underterminable international effect on Crystilakere as a nation, making the situation much worse than already present, forcing the government to extremes, and so on.

THS hopes our position will be respected and noted.
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Posted: May 30 2004, 08:00 PM
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OOC: Even with two issues per day it can be hard to come by at least one that will change ONE of your freedoms. I shudder to think how long it will take for me to get the highest of all three of the freedoms.
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Posted: May 30 2004, 11:06 PM
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Trying to attain a particular political state is not the same thing. It will actually affect your civil rights and economy in ways you didnt anticipate.

However, raising your civil rights, or political freedoms is actually quite easy.

The points you mentioned are good but not valid here. Crystilakere's involvement in interantional affaires have proven to be detrimental to other nations and this problem is a direct cause of their interests, or lack thereof, in civil rights. not to mention poor reading and comprehension skills.

It is necessary, for the sake of all nations, that Crystilakere become a competant member of the community and therefore, must make efforts in the rehabilitaion of Crystilakere to this end.

Crystilakere should initiate efforts to better itself as a demonstration of its desire to be beneficial to international stability instead of an obstacle.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 09:22 AM
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*ahem* sorry, but he already is an integral, and well founded, stable, and respectable member of the community. it seems like he is only an obstical to you from the start.

Also, several of my points had quite important meanings:

Point 2: It has been agreed by many nations that problems such as this require a combined ideal and vote before such damaging sanctions are put in place.

Point 3: Pretty much the same as above, but really emphasizing the voting part.

Point 4: This undertimable effect will be negative. This can only harm the region and sow the seeds of distrust and another war. Dont start that when we are attempting to restructure and reunify the region.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 10:25 AM
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However, raising your civil rights, or political freedoms is actually quite easy.


No, it's not when you get issues that don't even raise or lower any of your freedoms, but instead effect your environment and other statistics.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 04:43 PM
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I beg to differ, almost every issue gives you the opportunity to improve civil rights. Most issues are a decision between civil rights and political freedoms. Sometimes neither, granted, but rarely.

Go check out some of my other nations, they all do well in the 3 categories;

A Guardian of Forever
Lotans Discovery
Earning
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Getting all 3 categories up strong is difficult. Getting one strong is very easy.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 05:58 PM
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"Drakes are considered a delicacy, scientists recently cloned the long-extinct feather-bellied drake, long arduous trials are held for the most trivial of offences, and the only places to see drakes now are at local zoos."

None of those have had a positive or detrimental effect to either my civil, economic, or political rights.

That is four issues. Four or two days worth of issues and none of them effect any of my rights.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 06:09 PM
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"Drakes are considered a delicacy, scientists recently cloned the long-extinct feather-bellied drake, long arduous trials are held for the most trivial of offences, and the only places to see drakes now are at local zoos."

None of those have had a positive or detrimental effect to either my civil, economic, or political rights.

That is four issues. Four or two days worth of issues and none of them effect any of my rights.

That's luck for 'ya.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 06:19 PM
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Horrible I would have to say. But I just got an economice improvement issue ("Don't Dam our rivers, damnit!") so that is good!
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Posted: May 31 2004, 08:28 PM
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Also, I have noticed some issues and their options, are so absurd, you would think monkeys wrote them.

Like the public loudspeakers issue. The only positive you can get from it is a boost in economy but all choices will hurt your civil rights and/or political freedoms. The gun issues are similar. Sometimes its best to dismiss an issue.

Out of 14 issues in a week, 8,9,10, will give you an opportunity to affect your civil rights and/or political freedoms.

Out of the 4 you mentioned, the arduous trials affects your civil rights and the cloning of the ancient drake is a boost to economy. Also, drake is a delicacy which means you chose to eat your national animal which is also a boost to the economy.

I doubt you can find an issue that doesnt affect either of the 3 categories.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 08:34 PM
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For completeness, Soul Expression's.

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The government is spending millions on renovating the public transportation system, major cities are suffering under water rationing, streakers swamp all public events in order to bare it all, and the government extracts trade concessions from poor nations in exchange for humanitarian aid.
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Posted: May 31 2004, 09:04 PM
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Are we talking noticeable increases (as in an actual change of rights, i.e. strong to thriving?) or just increase in general?

The issues do have varying levels of increases/decreases.

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