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Posted by: Vilita Sep 2 2012, 10:35 AM

The three tournaments talked about most right now are AOCAF (Regional Football) AOHC (Regional Hockey) and AOCL (Regional Club Competition) We've been doing an AOCAF after every WC Cycle. AOHC doesn't necessarily need to fill the same slot but did the last time it was contested. AOCL clearly has interest but we need to make the format right. I've suggested that it truly be limited to Champions from each nation (Puppets can enter too, but one team per geographical nation), to make it a true champions tournament for the region, otherwise there is little to distinguish it from the UICA championships which most would participate in anyway. Discuss!

Posted by: Farfadillis Sep 2 2012, 11:09 AM

I think the AOCAF should be the priority, and have the AOCL too. But that's probably because I'm not into hockey.

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Sep 2 2012, 11:28 AM

It has been a long while since the AOHC so that one needs to run. Participation in the AOCAF has been on a decline as of late. At least it seems that way to me. Perhaps skipping one cycle would let everyone recharge and garner more interest when we hold it next As for th AOCL. I say 1 champ per nation and possibly use Legal's favorite system.

Posted by: Vilita Sep 2 2012, 11:39 AM

Sounds like Legal has just been nominated to host AOCL.

Posted by: Geisenfried Sep 2 2012, 11:43 AM

I lean towards AOCAF/AOCL since I have stuff prepped for the national team and have been working on my league, but have nothing on hockey. Though, admittedly, not that hard to write stuff up. Less inclined to do so, but still, I understand if the people who like things other than football/soccer want their day in the sun. I'll also note since we're discussing it, by the time WC61 ends, things should be settling down for me enough where I might have the time to host either AOCAF or AOCL, depending on which one(s) we decide to play.

Posted by: Valanora Sep 2 2012, 12:43 PM

IMO, the AOCL can be a non-RPed tournament, much in the vein of the CC/GC that it is modeled after. With that in mind, then the AOCAF should move forward as well and if people don't feel stretched, the AOHC.

Posted by: Legalese Sep 2 2012, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (Vilita @ Sep 2 2012, 12:39 PM) Sounds like Legal has just been nominated to host AOCL. Heh, if that's the case, there won't be one until November - giving me time to run my league as well. And I also know how to run non-Casaran-style tournaments as well, thank you very much Personally, I have a hard time getting charged for the AOHC regardless of when it's run, but figure that if anything's going to be the offseason focus, it'd be the AOCAF, and possibly the AOCL. That said, hard to get excited for an AOCL that is run like UCIA (no offence to those who run it) in that it's a low-interaction/RP format. That said, no matter how it's done (each MD on its own, or more condensed) - I actually prefer a mix of Vil's thought to limit entries to one per nation (with the two-nations per user rule in place), combined with using the CL-style tournament - group stage of 32, KOs from the r16 to the final. Use a coefficient to set pre-rankings and, if necessary, qualifiers. If we can't get 32 entrants, either allow 2nd entries from the top x teams (x being the # sufficient to make it work), or modify the group stage to make it work. If we have more than 32 entries, do a two-legged qualifying round. In case of emergency, break the glass. And no, I don't want to run it. Not the next one, at least.

Posted by: Kinitaria Sep 2 2012, 01:41 PM

AOCAF and AOCL for me. I mainly say that because I'm not a hockey fan, but there you go. I support limiting the AOCL to champions only, with second-placed teams if necessary - there's not a lot I can say about that which hasn't already been said.

Posted by: Urbis Tractus Sep 2 2012, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Kinitaria @ Sep 2 2012, 01:41 PM) AOCAF and AOCL for me. I mainly say that because I'm not a hockey fan, but there you go. I support limiting the AOCL to champions only, with second-placed teams if necessary - there's not a lot I can say about that which hasn't already been said. Pretty much this. I do plan on entering the AOCAF this time round, because I'm not hosting the CE with my main (Licentiapacisterra).

Posted by: Thatius Sep 2 2012, 02:41 PM

Another vote for AOCAF & AOCL. I think AOHC would be a good idea to have during the WC or something like that. Definitely not all three at the same time.

Posted by: Kinitaria Sep 2 2012, 04:42 PM

It looks like Rushmore's reforming their CdC, too. Maybe a possible future idea would be a "super cup" between the CdC and AOCL champions?

Posted by: Legalese Sep 2 2012, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Kinitaria @ Sep 2 2012, 05:42 PM) It looks like Rushmore's reforming their CdC, too. Maybe a possible future idea would be a "super cup" between the CdC and AOCL champions? As said before on the RMB, I think the best thing to do with Rushmore is to give them exactly what they deserve: no recognition at all ;-) (Yes, I know we have some Rushmorians here. Welcome!)

Posted by: Leorudo Sep 2 2012, 10:15 PM

Well, I'm much more into the AOCAF, and I have not tried the Champions league yet, but football/soccer is my main sport I RP Leorudo with.

Posted by: Starblaydia Sep 3 2012, 04:59 AM

As long as we do an AOCAF, I don't care about the other two. So I voted 'Don't Care', rather than 'AOCAF Only' as that's kinda negative on people who like the other two. Don't forget I'll be running the DBC during the WC off-season, too.

Posted by: Kiryu-shi Sep 3 2012, 12:41 PM

I'd love to be part of the AOCAF again. I was thinking about simulating my nation's (tiny) league again, so I'd be interested in an AOCL. I don't see myself doing hockey, although I wouldn't mind throwing in a team if people are running a tournament and want a bottom-feeder to beat up on.

Posted by: 95X-Scottfire Sep 3 2012, 03:13 PM

Should there be an AOCAF, AOCL and/or AOHC, I'm going to be extremely realistic and state that if I enter I'm unlikely to RP due to RL.

Posted by: Vilita Sep 4 2012, 03:20 PM

AOCAF Signups are up. So are World Cup Signups: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=198530

Posted by: Israeli Apartheid Client-State Sep 5 2012, 05:18 PM

I'm in for all three. I think the AOHC should be run before too much time drags on, to ensure legitimacy and continuity. In AOCL, I think leagues should get 1 or 2 entries, FWIW - or maybe just 1 for now, and the most successful leagues can then enter 2 in later editions? I'm down for whatever. Esportiva is also planning a Champions League, so there are some real opportunities for interregional RP opening up. Ranking points are a sticky wicket, but perhaps an interregional CL or super cup could use an independent ranking formula (maybe too much work) or convert the three sets of numbers into a common denominator?

Posted by: Vilita Sep 6 2012, 03:26 AM

I don't agree with the points. We've had 5 AOHC's in 6 years so continuity isn't the concern there, where as AOCAF is pretty regular. We can do the AOHC I think during WCQ or something as for AOCL, i think it will be easier just to stick with a straight up 1 entry per physical nation. If you have more than 1 nation in AO, then I guess thats your reward for it. As for rankings, that would be proposed by the hosts. I assume their options would be, use no ranking, use UICA rankings or use AO (National) Rankings. I don't anticipate an AOCL Specific ranking being created or used

Posted by: Wight Sep 6 2012, 02:33 PM

Confession of ignorance: I voted AOCAF only. Before I'd really thought about it. I'm not bothered about hockey because, well, I'm not bothered about hockey, but when I engaged paying-attention-right-side-of-brain I found I liked the idea of AOCL too. Especially Legal's idea for something with a little RP opportunity rolled in, since selfishly this will help me develop more detail for my league, and for my national team too.

Posted by: Vilita Sep 9 2012, 07:29 PM

Make sure you sign up for the World Cup of Hockey while waiting for the AOHC to start later this year. Valanora appears to be preparing a host bid so we should support it, I know he will do a great job with it. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=197403

Posted by: Israeli Apartheid Client-State Sep 13 2012, 11:53 AM

QUOTE (Vilita) I don't agree with the points. We've had 5 AOHC's in 6 years so continuity isn't the concern there, where as AOCAF is pretty regular. We can do the AOHC I think during WCQ or something Ah, fair enough. Thanks for the info, and given this, I agree.

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