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| QUOTE | | I was referring to individual nations. I am not going to enforce my beliefs upon you because that would be unethical. That is not my platform and don't make people believe that it is. |
Yes you are. By voting in the UN with a leftist-liberal slant on issuses they would impact on my nation and so your beliefs woud be forced on my nation. Unless I left the UN, of course, which isn't going to happen. I would take the majority vote of the UN-members of this region before Voting with the Delegate's extra block.
| QUOTE | | We have a personal dispute. We are political opponents. Of course there is disagreement. When hatred becomes violent, resolution must be sought. That is all I am saying. If that resolution is ejection, then so be it. |
I don't see any violence yet and don't predict any between us either.
| QUOTE | | If you want to say you don't like them, have fun but keep your hatred within the boundries of the law. |
You are implying that I am racist, which I am most certainly not. I demand you withdraw that remark.
| QUOTE | | That is what I have been saying here. I only said Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, etc. because those are the primary targets of violent threats and what have you. |
Then we agree on two whole points. Hurrah, let's all slap each other on the back a few time.
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"Yes you are. By voting in the UN with a leftist-liberal slant on issuses they would impact on my nation and so your beliefs woud be forced on my nation. Unless I left the UN, of course, which isn't going to happen. I would take the majority vote of the UN-members of this region before Voting with the Delegate's extra block."
I already told you that I am going to get other nations in the region to agree on action before it is taken on resolutions. Don't you listen?
"I don't see any violence yet and don't predict any between us either."
Thank you for confirming my point.
"You are implying that I am racist, which I am most certainly not. I demand you withdraw that remark."
I said you meaning you as part of the people. Not you as in you specifically.
"Then we agree on two whole points. Hurrah, let's all slap each other on the back a few time."
I would but I have a previous engagement. *Runs out to avoid slapping* |
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[qoute]I already told you that I am going to get other nations in the region to agree on action before it is taken on resolutions. Don't you listen?[/quote]
I listen to your conflicting remarks about the 'will of the masses' and you 'voting in a liberal/socialist style' and have to try and make up my mind which one you mean.
| QUOTE | | I said you meaning you as part of the people. Not you as in you specifically. |
Specify that next time please, that misunderstanding caused me great offence. Now, if there's nothing further from the Chairman of Marturia, does anyone else have any points of questions? Maybe even a statement of support?  |
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"I listen to your conflicting remarks about the 'will of the masses' and you 'voting in a liberal/socialist style' and have to try and make up my mind which one you mean."
No, look: On proposals, which are those things in the U.N. that require 180-some to become a resolution. There are too many to ask everybody about, so on THOSE I will make my Socialist leaning approvals and whatnot. On Resolutions, there will be a vote by the regional members.
"Now, if there's nothing further from the Chairman of Marturia, does anyone else have any points of questions? Maybe even a statement of support?"
Woah now, friend. Support? Let's not be reckless. One step at a time, here. |
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| QUOTE | | No, look: On proposals, which are those things in the U.N. that require 180-some to become a resolution. There are too many to ask everybody about, so on THOSE I will make my Socialist leaning approvals and whatnot. On Resolutions, there will be a vote by the regional members. |
Groovy. Its pretty much the same for me, except replace 'Socialist' with 'Conservative'.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Regarding the United Nations,
The resolution to ban Nuclear Weapons would only have applied to UN member nations. Therefore, if you are in the UN and still have nuclear weapons you will be violating UN law, however, if you are not in the UN and have nuclear weapons, there's nothing wrong with that.
The problem that arises is quite obvious.
Even from the NS FAQ:
| QUOTE | | Your nation can join the UN, but it's not compulsory. As a non-member, you are unaffected by any UN decisions. So if you're happy looking after your nation and don't want to dabble in international politics, don't join up. |
Non-members would have HUGE leverage over the UN nations because they would still be in LEGAL possession of their nuclear arsenals.
Ideally, nuclear weapons should be banned, however, unless 100% of the nations in NS are in the UN and 100% of them actually obey the resolution, then it will be impossible to ever really feasibly achieve.
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That's a darn good point that I think came up in the U.N. Forum at the time. Caused a huge fuss as the vote in favour of a ban was in the lead practically up to the final day, only defeated by a concerted Telegram effort to lots of RPers and also non-RPers pleading to let them keep their nukes. |
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Star has my vote. |
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Thankyou for your support, both of you.
On its way to both Xile and Abbatoir is an 'I'm Backing Ben Mackey' Voter's Pack, complete with bumper sticker and signed 6" x 4" Benjamin Mackey photograph. Hope we can count on your votes on election day! (whenever that may be). |
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I see the logic in voting against the Ban on Nucelar Weapons. I don't think I took an official stance on that at the time. I wasn't in a region to stay, so I didn't really discuss it. I was on the move, so to speak. |
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Sticker?!?! Signed photograph!?!?
NEWI Cefn Druids supports the starblaydi campaign for AO U.N. Delegacy, in light of not only their historical closeness, but their belief that they will be best for the job. Nothing to do with the freebies, OK? |
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| QUOTE (NEWI Cefn Druids @ Jul 30 2004, 04:11 AM) | Sticker?!?! Signed photograph!?!?
NEWI Cefn Druids supports the starblaydi campaign for AO U.N. Delegacy, in light of not only their historical closeness, but their belief that they will be best for the job. Nothing to do with the freebies, OK? |
We appreciate the support from NEW Cefn Druids for the reasons they have mentioned. We will still send you a Voter's Pack however  |
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Example UN Resolution Vote
If elected as UN delegate this will be the format in which I would present the issues to Atlantian Oceania. As this vote closes tomorrow (Sun 1st August) there's no time for me to get the Region's opinion on this one. Also, as this measure is currenntly 10685 For to 2527 Against, there is very little that changing my block of 5 votes will accomplish at this stage, so I'm sticking with my vote For, which I did before becoming Delegate 14 hours ago. So this is how I'd do it...
Title:UN 'Ban Trafficking in Persons' Vote [date posted]
Poll Options:
Ban Trafficking in Persons
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Description: It is becoming increasingly common that women are sold as sex slaves on the black market. Often the women, who come from less fortunate countries, are lured to more developed countries by people who promise them a better life there. Instead, upon the women's arrival to their new countries, these people deprive the them of their freedom and sell them as sex slaves. This is known as trafficking.
'Trafficking in persons' shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs.
I hereby urge the UN to take action. Decriminalize the women in prostitution but criminalize both the men who illegally buy women and children against their will, and anyone who promotes sexual exploitation, particularly pimps, procurers and traffickers.
Voting Ends: Sun Aug 1 2004
Starblaydia's opinion:
The Pros of this measure vastly outwiegh the Cons. This tackles the sex trade specifically and, I think, the right way by not going for the usually-unfortunate women and going for the usually men who exploit them.
"...recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation." is longwinded but hopefully the right and full description for the term 'trafficking in persons.
This is more of a law change, which crucially won't cost your nation money, either, though if Brothels are a nationalised industry this may impact on income. I recommend we vote FOR this measure. |
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Yes, I would do regional voting in the same way you are doing yours, Starblaydia. |
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