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Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 28 2004, 12:21 PM

Vote Starblaydia for UN Delegacy - The Best Choice
Your endorsement can help make Atlantian Oceania a better Region for all

We enter a cosy office. A lovely fireplace is aglow with flame, there is a large wooden desk with a friendly-looking man sitting behind it, smiling at the camera. On the wall are maps of Atlantian Oceania and Starblaydia, along with a blue United Nations flag and the black-purple-white of Starblaydia. The man speaks.

"Hello there, friends,

My name is Benjamin Mackey, and I'm currently Starblaydia's United Nations representative. It's my job to give the people of Starblaydia a voice in the UN, which is a group of nations who have formed a world-wide organisation for the betterment of everyone who lives on this planet."

He gets up from his big leather chair and walks around the desk to sit on it's edge.

"Now, you may be wondering why I'm on your TV screens, as your opinions won't affect my job, right? Well, actually, all this is about to change." Benjamin looks thoughtful for a moment. "Under new Regional proposals, you'll have the power to elect our Regional Delegate and I'd like you to vote for me. 'Why vote for Benjamin Mackey of Starblaydia?', you may ask yourselves, well, here's why..."

Benjamin turns to the side, where another camera picks up his smiling face. Behind him is a window leading to a well-kept, luch garden. You can see the fireplace reflected in his smart glasses.

"Since I was appointed by the Lord-Protector when Starblaydia first joined the UN, many moons ago," he smiles again, "I have voted on each and every United Nations Resolution that has been put before it's members. I have debated in the UN's chamber, speaking out on issues that I personally believe in, that affect every one of us. Let me tell you a little something about my voting."

Over a faded, blurred image of the UN flag, text appears on the screen

FOR The Bio-Rights Declaration
FOR The "Reduce Black Market Arms Sales" resolution
FOR The "Public Domain" resolution
FOR The "Abortion Rights" resolution
FOR The "Ban Trafficking in Persons" resolution
FOR The "Needle Sharing Prevention" resolution
FOR The "Tracking Near Earth Objects" Resolution
FOR The Refugee Protection Act
FOR The "Anti-Illegal Logging" resolution
Current Resolution: FOR The "Ban Trafficking in Persons" resolution

"All of these United Nations Resolutions that I have voted for have been implemented in UN-member Nations. You can look these up on the internet if you wish to find out the details."

The picture changes back to a mid-shot of Benjamin from yet another angle.

"You may be thinking that I simply vote 'For' every Resolution that crosses my desk and that's it." he laughs to himself in the way politicans do. "This simply isn't the case. I have voted against some measures that I and the people of Starblaydia do not believe in. For instance, I voted against the decision to ban nuclear weapons, as I believe a Nation's Strategic Deterrant is a vital tool to keep our World Safe. This measure sure did cause a fuss in the UN Chamber, but it ended up being defeated.

"Now, what will this mean for all the men, women and children of Atlantian Oceania if I become the Regional Delegate to the UN? To put it simply, everyone will have a say in how Atlantian Oceania votes in the UN. I will present the issue at hand in our Regional Forum every time a new one comes to my attention. From their, your nation's own UN representatives will present this issue to you, and when you have made up your minds, your UN representatives will report back your opinions to me and we will decide on the right course of action."

Another set of text comes up on the screen

1. UN Resolution entered for approval and voting
2. Regional Delegate Outlines Proposal to AO Nations in the UN
3. AO Nations vote
4. Regional Delegate Votes according to Regional Opinion

"This is the way I believe our Regional voting system should work. When I receive a resolution to vote on I will present it objectively to the Region, listing both sides of the arguement and giving my opinion on which way we should vote."

Back we come to a close-up shot of Benjamin.

"Now, crucially, the Regional Delegate's vote is 'worth' more than regular UN member-nations, so the Delegate, I believe, should not wield that vote without the majority-backing of Atlantian Oceania. So, in effect, Starblaydia would not be able to vote without the backing of the Region, if I won the Delegacy.

"Now, there is one final item I would like to tell you about. As Regional Delegate, I would have the power to submit Resolutions of my own, or ones suggested by the people of Atlantian Oceania. I would allow anyone to propose a resolution and allow it to be debated and decided on in the Regional Forums. If a proposal succeeds in the Regional Forum I would submit it for approval in the UN itself."

"So, in effect, my Campaign for Regional Delegacy consists of the following points:"

All UN-members within AO have a say in how the Delegate votes in the UN
UN Resolutions available for debate in the Regional UN Forum
UN Delegate cannot vote in the UN without majority Regional approval
Any UN-member within AO can propose resolutions for debate and approval in the Regional UN Forum
Other Delegate and Regional-UN rules may be proposed and voted on in the Regional Forum by UN-member nations

If I haven't answered any other queries you may have about our Campaign for UN Delegacy, please do not hesitate to ask. In fact, why not use this part of the Regional Forum for any and all of your questions to me. Thank you for your time, people of Atlantian Oceania

Remember, Vote Starblaydia for United Nations Delegacy - The Best Choice

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Posted by: The Atheists Reality Jul 29 2004, 05:18 AM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Jul 28 2004, 12:21 PM)

1. UN Resolution entered for approval and voting
2. Regional Delegate Outlines Proposal to AO Nations in the UN
3. AO Nations vote
4. Regional Delegate Votes according to Regional Opinion

"This is the way I believe our Regional voting system should work. When I receive a resolution to vote on I will present it objectively to the Region, listing both sides of the arguement and giving my opinion on which way we should vote."

Back we come to a close-up shot of Benjamin.

"Now, crucially, the Regional Delegate's vote is 'worth' more than regular UN member-nations, so the Delegate, I believe, should not wield that vote without the majority-backing of Atlantian Oceania. So, in effect, Starblaydia would not be able to vote without the backing of the Region, if I won the Delegacy.

"Now, there is one final item I would like to tell you about. As Regional Delegate, I would have the power to submit Resolutions of my own, or ones suggested by the people of Atlantian Oceania. I would allow anyone to propose a resolution and allow it to be debated and decided on in the Regional Forums. If a proposal succeeds in the Regional Forum I would submit it for approval in the UN itself."

"So, in effect, my Campaign for Regional Delegacy consists of the following points:"

All UN-members within AO have a say in how the Delegate votes in the UN
UN Resolutions available for debate in the Regional UN Forum
UN Delegate cannot vote in the UN without majority Regional approval
Any UN-member within AO can propose resolutions for debate and approval in the Regional UN Forum
Other Delegate and Regional-UN rules may be proposed and voted on in the Regional Forum by UN-member nations
If I haven't answered any other queries you may have about our Campaign for UN Delegacy, please do not hesitate to ask. In fact, why not use this part of the Regional Forum for any and all of your questions to me. Thank you for your time, people of Atlantian Oceania

Remember, Vote Starblaydia for United Nations Delegacy - The Best Choice

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and i hope this is a good and fair race

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 05:30 AM

QUOTE (The Atheists Reality @ Jul 29 2004, 05:18 AM)

and i hope this is a good and fair race

I share your view that this should be a well-natured and fair race, which I thank you for. As confident as I am in my proposal, I'm sure nobody wanted to read all that twice

Posted by: The Atheists Reality Jul 29 2004, 05:34 AM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Jul 29 2004, 05:30 AM)

QUOTE (The Atheists Reality @ Jul 29 2004, 05:18 AM)

and i hope this is a good and fair race

I share your view that this should be a well-natured and fair race, which I thank you for. As confident as I am in my proposal, I'm sure nobody wanted to read all that twice

sorry about that, i can only reply in this forum

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 06:00 AM

I once indicated in the civil headquarters that I would be equally as happy if Starblaydia would win over myself. However, in light of recent events with a bit of mudslinging, I am beginning to change my stance. You talk alot, Starblaydia, but what experience do you actually have? What makes you qualified other than your obviously overdone role-playing?

I have reviewed again and again your platform and I have some things I'd like to discuss. Why did you oppose the ban on nuclear weapons? As long as they exist, the threat of nuclear war is very real and it poses a threat to every form of life in this planet.

Next, your system for how you shall gain the people's support is quite silly. You make representatives and whatnot. Would it not be so much simpler to just have them tell you their thoughts directly or in the forums in a properly designated debate slot? You need to think your policy through. Creating a beareucracy is an easy thing to do, try to avoid it.

Your real political stance is very vague and one can only assume that you'll make whatever kinds of decisions. How are you, for example, on issues such as Gay Marriage, Healthcare, Education, and the other issues I and my friend asked the other candidate in this race? I'd love to hear your opinions.

Posted by: The Atheists Reality Jul 29 2004, 06:06 AM

QUOTE (Marturia @ Jul 29 2004, 06:00 AM)

blah blah blah

oppose the ban on nuclear weapons? because completly eliminating them is currently impossible

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 06:19 AM

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That wasn't mudslinging, that was an attempt to point out that I have the impression that you wish to 'be elected with the mandate of the masses' then rule according to your whims.

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I have reviewed again and again your platform and I have some things I'd like to discuss. Why did you oppose the ban on nuclear weapons? As long as they exist, the threat of nuclear war is very real and it poses a threat to every form of life in this planet.

I am a great believer in the theory of Mutually Assured Distruction. MAD ensures that no sane nation will launch a nuclear attack on any country who either a)possesses such weapons or b)has allies with such weapons. You may point to terrorist groups and rogue nations who are willing to sacrifice themselves by starting a nuclear war. I put it to you that you cannot un-invent the nuclear weapon. Terrorists and Rogue states seeking to develop such weapons will do so anyway, with or without a United Nations (which they most certainly aren't a part of anyway) Resolution.

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Next, your system for how you shall gain the people's support is quite silly. You make representatives and whatnot. Would it not be so much simpler to just have them tell you their thoughts directly or in the forums in a properly designated debate slot? You need to think your policy through. Creating a beareucracy is an easy thing to do, try to avoid it.

I am not creating any extra red tape or bureaucracy, as all the mechanisms are already in place. Nations who are in the UN have their own representatives already. It merely falls to them to bring their and their peoples' opinions to me, through this U.N. forum. Read my first post a little more carefully

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Your real political stance is very vague and one can only assume that you'll make whatever kinds of decisions. How are you, for example, on issues such as Gay Marriage, Healthcare, Education, and the other issues I and my friend asked the other candidate in this race? I'd love to hear your opinions.

Very well, a decent question at last. So, my opinions:
Gay Marriage 'Marriage' is a particular religious union between a man and a woman. I have no problems with homosexuals engaging in such a union but I do not believe it should be termed as 'marriage'. The same rights and privilieges that 'regular' married couples enjoy should be granted to Homosexual Civil Unions.

Healthcare This may be the one area that we actually agree on something. General Healthcare should be available free at the point of treatment. This is the situation in Starblaydia, mirroring the British NHS system. Starblaydia was once a British colonial outpost in the 1800s. Individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one.

EducationUmm.. *wonders how 'what is your stance on education' is a relevant question. Education for all, that is relevant, both traditional and modern at the same time. Again, individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one.

I will address the other issues you expressed shortly

Benjamin Mackey
UN Representative
Potectorate of Starblaydia

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 06:20 AM

Even if it is impossible, we should at least attempt to curtail the ongoing growth of nuclear proliferation before every dictator in the world gets ahold of them.

Posted by: The Atheists Reality Jul 29 2004, 06:29 AM

QUOTE (Marturia @ Jul 29 2004, 06:20 AM)

Even if it is impossible, we should at least attempt to curtail the ongoing growth of nuclear proliferation before every dictator in the world gets ahold of them.

correct

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 06:31 AM

"That wasn't mudslinging, that was an attempt to point out that I have the impression that you wish to 'be elected with the mandate of the masses' then rule according to your whims."

It sure sounded like mudslinging. I suppose 'pointing things out' to you involves exclaiming loudly about it. You could have mentioned it nicely, but it seems that isn't a part of your little credo.

"I am a great believer in the theory of Mutually Assured Distruction. MAD ensures that no sane nation will launch a nuclear attack on any country who either a)possesses such weapons or b)has allies with such weapons.

The key word there is "sane".

"You may point to terrorist groups and rogue nations who are willing to sacrifice themselves by starting a nuclear war. I put it to you that you cannot un-invent the nuclear weapon. Terrorists and Rogue states seeking to develop such weapons will do so anyway, with or without a United Nations (which they most certainly aren't a part of anyway) Resolution."

Well, we both know well what happens when nations that are forbode by U.N. Resolution not to create nuclear weapons do. Or should I say weapons of mass destruction to better jog your memory?

"I am not creating any extra red tape or bureaucracy, as all the mechanisms are already in place. Nations who are in the UN have their own representatives already. It merely falls to them to bring their and their peoples' opinions to me, through this U.N. forum. Read my first post a little more carefully"

From the sound of things, I thought you wanted to appoint representatives or something. You take NationStates so seriously to the point where it is no longer 'people who have nations' but rather 'nations with people'. I am not accustomed to that style, so naturally I misunderstood.

"'Marriage' is a particular religious union between a man and a woman. I have no problems with homosexuals engaging in such a union but I do not believe it should be termed as 'marriage'. The same rights and privilieges that 'regular' married couples enjoy should be granted to Homosexual Civil Unions."

The only dictionary that defines marriage in that way is from 1913 (Webster's), and we've come a long way since then. If the homosexuals wish to get married religiously, despite the clash between their religion and lifestyle choices, why can they not do so? And why shouldn't the government recognize them as a married couple?

"Healthcare This may be the one area that we actually agree on something. General Healthcare should be available free at the point of treatment. This is the situation in Starblaydia, mirroring the British NHS system. Starblaydia was once a British colonial outpost in the 1800s. Individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one."

Nothing to argue there. Healthcare must be operated by the state, paid for by the state, and given freely to all equally by the state. Privatized medicine ultimately fails to cater to the masses as it should and I applaud you for realizing it.

"EducationUmm.. *wonders how 'what is your stance on education' is a relevant question. Education for all, that is relevant, both traditional and modern at the same time."

It is no more or less relevant that healthcare. The main question is Private Education and Public Education. Privatized or Socialized. Private Education sometimes pulls through but often takes religious or political bias in their teaching.

"Again, individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one."

So the other issues you mentioned will be enforced on all nations? I intend to enforce nothing on people. Racists and other offensive discriminators will not be permitted to remain because they cause too much trouble and controversy, that is all I will 'enforce'.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 06:33 AM

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Even if it is impossible, we should at least attempt to curtail the ongoing growth of nuclear proliferation before every dictator in the world gets ahold of them.

First you want to ban them, then you want non-proliferation. 1) Make up your mind 2) How are you currently helping the non-proliferation/ban of nuclear and other WMDs?

Worker's Rights "Workers" should not be exploited in any way and be paid a fair wage for a fair day's work without the possibilty of being sacked every 10 seonds. It's a free market, so workers can go wherever they like.

Union Laws Unions should not be able to hold the country to ransom for pay raises, for instance, above the level of inflation.

Welfare People who cannot survive above the poverty line must be given aid to do so, however, they must be active in working and attempting to better themselves. No moochers here, thankyou.

Social Security A social safety net is very useful in preventing nasty things happening <- note to self - why is it always the left-wing loonies who kick up a fuss in debates like this? ->

And how will this affect the way Starblaydia would use it's block vote in the UN? Not a jot! I will take the majority decision, as part of which my opinion counts as much as yours, such as it it.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 06:44 AM

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It sure sounded like mudslinging. I suppose 'pointing things out' to you involves exclaiming loudly about it. You could have mentioned it nicely, but it seems that isn't a part of your little credo.

Yes, and I'm a fascist bigot who only listens to people yelling at me. Thankyou for your well-thought out judgement.

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The key word there is "sane".

Which i then go on to qualify.

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Well, we both know well what happens when nations that are forbode by U.N. Resolution not to create nuclear weapons do. Or should I say weapons of mass destruction to better jog your memory?

The real-world case of Iraq being smacked down in '91 and then not actually having any proven WMD programmes in '03 proves your point? How?

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From the sound of things, I thought you wanted to appoint representatives or something. You take NationStates so seriously to the point where it is no longer 'people who have nations' but rather 'nations with people'. I am not accustomed to that style, so naturally I misunderstood.

I roleplay seriously. These posts are supposedly coming from Starblaydia's UN Representative, Benjamin Mackey. Your apology is accepted on this point.

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The only dictionary that defines marriage in that way is from 1913 (Webster's), and we've come a long way since then. If the homosexuals wish to get married religiously, despite the clash between their religion and lifestyle choices, why can they not do so? And why shouldn't the government recognize them as a married couple?

The (my) government recognises the union of two people. In a the case of man+woman, this is called a Marriage. In the case of man+man or woman+woman, this is called a Civil Union. Other than that there are no legal differences.

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Nothing to argue there. Healthcare must be operated by the state, paid for by the state, and given freely to all equally by the state. Privatized medicine ultimately fails to cater to the masses as it should and I applaud you for realizing it.

I have not said there is no place for Private Healthcare. If a person with a large amount of money wishes to pay a facility for its medical services we have no problem with that.

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(Education) is no more or less relevant that healthcare. The main question is Private Education and Public Education. Privatized or Socialized. Private Education sometimes pulls through but often takes religious or political bias in their teaching.

You did not ask that question specifically. Public education can bring every pupil down to the lowest common denominator, while Private tends to focus on the academicly gifted, leaving out the 'less-well-able'

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So the other issues you mentioned will be enforced on all nations? I intend to enforce nothing on people. Racists and other offensive discriminators will not be permitted to remain because they cause too much trouble and controversy, that is all I will 'enforce'.

You discriminate against rich people and entrepeneurs, should you not be ejected for these opinions? I feel that you are the one causing most trouble and controversy in these particular exchanges, and are offending me right this minute.

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 07:03 AM

"Yes, and I'm a fascist bigot who only listens to people yelling at me. Thankyou for your well-thought out judgement."

Your words, not mine. And I didn't yell at you, at least I didn't mean to.

"The real-world case of Iraq being smacked down in '91 and then not actually having any proven WMD programmes in '03 proves your point? How?"

I was only trying to prove that we do deal with U.N. law breakers, although this case turned out to be a war based on erroneous 'evidence'.

"The (my) government recognises the union of two people. In a the case of man+woman, this is called a Marriage. In the case of man+man or woman+woman, this is called a Civil Union. Other than that there are no legal differences."

Why do you seperate them? Even if it is in name only, you should embrace equality by treating them the same. It may just be a title, but seriously, now.

"I have not said there is no place for Private Healthcare. If a person with a large amount of money wishes to pay a facility for its medical services we have no problem with that."

Well, I didn't mean illegalize private medicine, but we should endorse it like we do in the U.S.. If a wealthy person wishes to start a community health center to lift the load off of the state, then so be it. But the state should always seek to work in the benefit of the people as a whole.

"You did not ask that question specifically. Public education can bring every pupil down to the lowest common denominator, while Private tends to focus on the academicly gifted, leaving out the 'less-well-able'"

It's a pretty fair arguement, but I tend to lean in favor of Public Education because a simple funding boost to larger city schools would work well. Especially if the money actually made it to the schools, as sometimes the states in the U.S. will spend the money on other things (One problem of the State system).

"You discriminate against rich people and entrepeneurs, should you not be ejected for these opinions?"

I don't advocate killing them or treating them differently in my society. I am not a hater. I merely see their existence sitting on their bottoms rolling in currency while there are people starving as horrifyingly cold, selfish, and immoral. Their property will be siezed and the proceeds distributed to all people equally.

"I feel that you are the one causing most trouble and controversy in these particular exchanges, and are offending me right this minute."

It's good for people to be angry about something. Unless someone besides yourself says they are offended, I don't see your problem relevant to these proceedings. You offend me by saying you are offended but I know how to handle such feelings and unless it turns to death threats, I am not going to care or be angry. As I have already stated, those I intend to eject will only be ejected if they make racial, sexual, preference-based, etc. threats. They can say "I don't like black people." but they can't say "I'm going to kill you, you black person!" because that would be interpreted as an offensive racist death threat and we certainly can't have that in a civilized region. I suppose you feel differently, however.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 07:18 AM

First of all, your lack of quote tags makes that damn hard to read, but anyway that's forgiveable

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Your words, not mine. And I didn't yell at you, at least I didn't mean to.

Socialists have lost all their sense of humour nowadays, haven't they?

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I was only trying to prove that we do deal with U.N. law breakers, although this case turned out to be a war based on erroneous 'evidence'.

We? NS is separate to real-world events, if you hadn't noticed. Anyway, I believe stopping tyrannical, 'evil', dictators from getting nuclear weapons is a necessity, by force if need be. *goes off to wonder what Stalin or Kruschev would have done with a nuclear bomb or two*

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Why do you seperate them? Even if it is in name only, you should embrace equality by treating them the same. It may just be a title, but seriously, now.

Mr. Man and Mrs Woman. There is a title difference, but we treat them the same. Seriously, now.

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Well, I didn't mean illegalize private medicine, but we should endorse it like we do in the U.S.. If a wealthy person wishes to start a community health center to lift the load off of the state, then so be it. But the state should always seek to work in the benefit of the people as a whole.

It sounded like you made public/private out to be an either/or decision, which I do not believe it it.

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It's a pretty fair arguement, but I tend to lean in favor of Public Education because a simple funding boost to larger city schools would work well. Especially if the money actually made it to the schools, as sometimes the states in the U.S. will spend the money on other things (One problem of the State system).

And I tend to lean in favour of Private education. Golly, now there's something for the electors to make their minds up on!

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I don't advocate killing them or treating them differently in my society. I am not a hater. I merely see their existence sitting on their bottoms rolling in currency while there are people starving as horrifyingly cold, selfish, and immoral. Their property will be siezed and the proceeds distributed to all people equally.

If you decide to try and sieze any Starblaydi assests, assuming you are elected, I warn you there will most certainy be violence.

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It's good for people to be angry about something. Unless someone besides yourself says they are offended, I don't see your problem relevant to these proceedings. You offend me by saying you are offended but I know how to handle such feelings and unless it turns to death threats, I am not going to care or be angry. As I have already stated, those I intend to eject will only be ejected if they make racial, sexual, preference-based, etc. threats. They can say "I don't like black people." but they can't say "I'm going to kill you, you black person!" because that would be interpreted as an offensive racist death threat and we certainly can't have that in a civilized region. I suppose you feel differently, however.

Oh so when only one person is offended by you, they don't count? " Unless someone besides yourself says they are offended, I don't see your problem relevant to these proceedings." My opinion of you doesn't count. Wonderful. "I don't like black people." is an expression of free speech, currently considered taboo by almost every nation on the planet, including Starblaydia. "I'm going to kill you, you black person!" will result in an arrest in Starblaydia, as muderous intent leads to murder.

Ejecting people with, for instance, Racist views borders on the tyrannical. Rejecting people who use threats, with or without the attached views, should be ejected.

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 07:29 AM

"First of all, your lack of quote tags makes that damn hard to read, but anyway that's forgiveable"

I'm not used to the quote tags and find this way much faster.

"Socialists have lost all their sense of humour nowadays, haven't they?"

No, I just dislike your brand of humor.

"We? NS is separate to real-world events, if you hadn't noticed."

Your arguement was against a ban on nukes in the U.N. The NS U.N. models the actual U.N. Therefore, I can talk of the two as one in the same. Don't read me so literally.

"Anyway, I believe stopping tyrannical, 'evil', dictators from getting nuclear weapons is a necessity, by force if need be. *goes off to wonder what Stalin or Kruschev would have done with a nuclear bomb or two*"

Ha, ha, ha. Stalin and Khrushschev did have nuclear weapons. Stalin was nuts, but Khrushchev was a good guy, you ought to read up on him.

"Mr. Man and Mrs Woman. There is a title difference, but we treat them the same."

Yes, but if you start by labeling their marriage differently, then it can only retrograde in to less desirable means of differentiation and possibly segregation.

"It sounded like you made public/private out to be an either/or decision, which I do not believe it it."

Then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

"And I tend to lean in favour of Private education. Golly, now there's something for the electors to make their minds up on!"

Yes, allow all people to get free education or make them pay? Choices, choices...

"If you decide to try and sieze any Starblaydi assests, assuming you are elected, I warn you there will most certainy be violence."

I was referring to individual nations. I am not going to enforce my beliefs upon you because that would be unethical. That is not my platform and don't make people believe that it is.

"Oh so when only one person is offended by you, they don't count? " Unless someone besides yourself says they are offended, I don't see your problem relevant to these proceedings." My opinion of you doesn't count."

We have a personal dispute. We are political opponents. Of course there is disagreement. When hatred becomes violent, resolution must be sought. That is all I am saying. If that resolution is ejection, then so be it.

"Wonderful. "I don't like black people." is an expression of free speech, currently considered taboo by almost every nation on the planet, including Starblaydia. "I'm going to kill you, you black person!" will result in an arrest in Starblaydia, as muderous intent leads to murder."

If you want to say you don't like them, have fun but keep your hatred within the boundries of the law.

"Ejecting people with, for instance, Racist views borders on the tyrannical. Rejecting people who use threats, with or without the attached views, should be ejected."

That is what I have been saying here. I only said Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, etc. because those are the primary targets of violent threats and what have you.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 07:39 AM

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I was referring to individual nations. I am not going to enforce my beliefs upon you because that would be unethical. That is not my platform and don't make people believe that it is.

Yes you are. By voting in the UN with a leftist-liberal slant on issuses they would impact on my nation and so your beliefs woud be forced on my nation. Unless I left the UN, of course, which isn't going to happen. I would take the majority vote of the UN-members of this region before Voting with the Delegate's extra block.

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We have a personal dispute. We are political opponents. Of course there is disagreement. When hatred becomes violent, resolution must be sought. That is all I am saying. If that resolution is ejection, then so be it.

I don't see any violence yet and don't predict any between us either.

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If you want to say you don't like them, have fun but keep your hatred within the boundries of the law.

You are implying that I am racist, which I am most certainly not. I demand you withdraw that remark.

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That is what I have been saying here. I only said Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, etc. because those are the primary targets of violent threats and what have you.

Then we agree on two whole points. Hurrah, let's all slap each other on the back a few time.

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 07:43 AM

"Yes you are. By voting in the UN with a leftist-liberal slant on issuses they would impact on my nation and so your beliefs woud be forced on my nation. Unless I left the UN, of course, which isn't going to happen. I would take the majority vote of the UN-members of this region before Voting with the Delegate's extra block."

I already told you that I am going to get other nations in the region to agree on action before it is taken on resolutions. Don't you listen?

"I don't see any violence yet and don't predict any between us either."

Thank you for confirming my point.

"You are implying that I am racist, which I am most certainly not. I demand you withdraw that remark."

I said you meaning you as part of the people. Not you as in you specifically.

"Then we agree on two whole points. Hurrah, let's all slap each other on the back a few time."

I would but I have a previous engagement. *Runs out to avoid slapping*

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 07:52 AM

[qoute]I already told you that I am going to get other nations in the region to agree on action before it is taken on resolutions. Don't you listen?[/quote]
I listen to your conflicting remarks about the 'will of the masses' and you 'voting in a liberal/socialist style' and have to try and make up my mind which one you mean.

QUOTE

I said you meaning you as part of the people. Not you as in you specifically.

Specify that next time please, that misunderstanding caused me great offence.

Now, if there's nothing further from the Chairman of Marturia, does anyone else have any points of questions? Maybe even a statement of support?

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 07:57 AM

"I listen to your conflicting remarks about the 'will of the masses' and you 'voting in a liberal/socialist style' and have to try and make up my mind which one you mean."

No, look: On proposals, which are those things in the U.N. that require 180-some to become a resolution. There are too many to ask everybody about, so on THOSE I will make my Socialist leaning approvals and whatnot. On Resolutions, there will be a vote by the regional members.

"Now, if there's nothing further from the Chairman of Marturia, does anyone else have any points of questions? Maybe even a statement of support?"

Woah now, friend. Support? Let's not be reckless. One step at a time, here.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 07:59 AM

QUOTE

No, look: On proposals, which are those things in the U.N. that require 180-some to become a resolution. There are too many to ask everybody about, so on THOSE I will make my Socialist leaning approvals and whatnot. On Resolutions, there will be a vote by the regional members.

Groovy. Its pretty much the same for me, except replace 'Socialist' with 'Conservative'.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Posted by: Nova Roma Jul 29 2004, 09:21 AM

Regarding the United Nations,

The resolution to ban Nuclear Weapons would only have applied to UN member nations. Therefore, if you are in the UN and still have nuclear weapons you will be violating UN law, however, if you are not in the UN and have nuclear weapons, there's nothing wrong with that.

The problem that arises is quite obvious.

Even from the NS FAQ:

QUOTE

Your nation can join the UN, but it's not compulsory. As a non-member, you are unaffected by any UN decisions. So if you're happy looking after your nation and don't want to dabble in international politics, don't join up.

Non-members would have HUGE leverage over the UN nations because they would still be in LEGAL possession of their nuclear arsenals.

Ideally, nuclear weapons should be banned, however, unless 100% of the nations in NS are in the UN and 100% of them actually obey the resolution, then it will be impossible to ever really feasibly achieve.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 09:32 AM

That's a darn good point that I think came up in the U.N. Forum at the time. Caused a huge fuss as the vote in favour of a ban was in the lead practically up to the final day, only defeated by a concerted Telegram effort to lots of RPers and also non-RPers pleading to let them keep their nukes.

Posted by: Abattoir Jul 29 2004, 01:25 PM

Starblaydia, I like you.

Posted by: Xile Jul 29 2004, 01:53 PM

Star has my vote.

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 29 2004, 04:21 PM

Thankyou for your support, both of you.

On its way to both Xile and Abbatoir is an 'I'm Backing Ben Mackey' Voter's Pack, complete with bumper sticker and signed 6" x 4" Benjamin Mackey photograph. Hope we can count on your votes on election day! (whenever that may be).

Posted by: Marturia Jul 29 2004, 05:28 PM

I see the logic in voting against the Ban on Nucelar Weapons. I don't think I took an official stance on that at the time. I wasn't in a region to stay, so I didn't really discuss it. I was on the move, so to speak.

Posted by: NEWI Cefn Druids Jul 30 2004, 04:11 AM

Sticker?!?! Signed photograph!?!?

NEWI Cefn Druids supports the starblaydi campaign for AO U.N. Delegacy, in light of not only their historical closeness, but their belief that they will be best for the job. Nothing to do with the freebies, OK?

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 30 2004, 04:31 AM

QUOTE (NEWI Cefn Druids @ Jul 30 2004, 04:11 AM)

We appreciate the support from NEW Cefn Druids for the reasons they have mentioned.

We will still send you a Voter's Pack however

Posted by: Starblaydia Jul 31 2004, 04:59 PM

Example UN Resolution Vote

If elected as UN delegate this will be the format in which I would present the issues to Atlantian Oceania. As this vote closes tomorrow (Sun 1st August) there's no time for me to get the Region's opinion on this one. Also, as this measure is currenntly 10685 For to 2527 Against, there is very little that changing my block of 5 votes will accomplish at this stage, so I'm sticking with my vote For, which I did before becoming Delegate 14 hours ago. So this is how I'd do it...

Title:UN 'Ban Trafficking in Persons' Vote [date posted]

Poll Options:

For
Against
Abstain

Ban Trafficking in Persons

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Description: It is becoming increasingly common that women are sold as sex slaves on the black market. Often the women, who come from less fortunate countries, are lured to more developed countries by people who promise them a better life there. Instead, upon the women's arrival to their new countries, these people deprive the them of their freedom and sell them as sex slaves. This is known as trafficking.

'Trafficking in persons' shall mean the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation. Exploitation shall include, at a minimum, the exploitation of the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labour or services, slavery or practices similar to slavery, servitude or the removal of organs.

I hereby urge the UN to take action. Decriminalize the women in prostitution but criminalize both the men who illegally buy women and children against their will, and anyone who promotes sexual exploitation, particularly pimps, procurers and traffickers.

Voting Ends: Sun Aug 1 2004

Starblaydia's opinion:

The Pros of this measure vastly outwiegh the Cons. This tackles the sex trade specifically and, I think, the right way by not going for the usually-unfortunate women and going for the usually men who exploit them.

"...recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation." is longwinded but hopefully the right and full description for the term 'trafficking in persons.

This is more of a law change, which crucially won't cost your nation money, either, though if Brothels are a nationalised industry this may impact on income. I recommend we vote FOR this measure.

Posted by: Marturia Jul 31 2004, 11:12 PM

Yes, I would do regional voting in the same way you are doing yours, Starblaydia.

Posted by: Krytenia Aug 1 2004, 06:39 PM

Krytenia, having pulled out of the race, is putting its weight behind the Starblaydia bid.

PS Can we have a couple of thousand of those "Mackey" packs? We have some propoganda posters to cover.....

Posted by: Nova Roma Aug 1 2004, 09:06 PM

The resolution at hand is superfluous, a resolution banning slavery was already passed some time (a year I believe) ago.

It would be like making murder illegal and then making it illegal for a man to kill a woman.

Not that it would hurt to vote FOR this resolution and not like I'm in the UN anyway, just pointing out the obvious.

Posted by: Marturia Aug 1 2004, 10:20 PM

I have a question I am putting in this thread for no reason in particular. Can non-UN members of AO vote on the delegate? It seems unfair that they wouldn't be able to because the election affects the course of their lives just as our own. I would allow all members of AO, with U.N. membership or not, to vote on resolutions if I am elected.

Posted by: Vilita Aug 1 2004, 11:41 PM

QUOTE (Marturia @ Aug 1 2004, 11:20 PM)

Yes, Non-UN Members have an equal Vote in the Delegate Elections. Nations with puppets will have only one vote.

Posted by: Marturia Aug 2 2004, 04:47 AM

If puppet nations get one, then how much do U.N. and non-U.N. nations get?

Posted by: Vilita Aug 2 2004, 04:51 AM

Puppet Nations Dont get one, only their master does (1 Vote per Unique User)

Posted by: Marturia Aug 2 2004, 05:28 AM

I see, I misread you. My apologies.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 6 2004, 07:38 AM

Just something I thought of in light of Marturia's 'prediction' of me being a one-termer. There should be some kind of recall/no-confidence system. The oppurtunity should arise for a UN-member to call for a vote of no-confidence in the Delegate, and for that call to be put to a vote, with a majority or perhaps 2/3 vote resulting in the removal of the delegate, who may then not stand for re-election in the election for his/her replacement.

This motion would need to be limited (i.e. once per month, once per majory regional crisis, etc), so a single unruly UN member would not be calling for a no-confidence vote every three hours or so.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 6 2004, 02:44 PM

That sounds like a good idea, Starblaydia. If the region does not think that it's interests are being served, then they should have the right to put someone they trust in the position.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 6 2004, 02:48 PM

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 6 2004, 02:44 PM)

That sounds like a good idea, Starblaydia.

You gonna vote for me then?

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 7 2004, 06:40 PM

No.

Go get your own votes.

Posted by: Feeky Aug 8 2004, 09:44 AM

Feeky, as a small, developing nation, has little impact on regional or world affairs. However, the Feekan government must serve the people of Feeky in its best concience. While Starblaydia has well-formed, rational stances on issues important to us all, the people of feeky do not agree with the positions taken on homosexual marraige and the controversial nuclear weapons ban. In addition, the people of Feeky have repeatedly expressed their opinion that the government of Starblaydia shows tendencies to bully its enemies and is concerned that this trait may show itself in more prominent ways were that nation to become the regional delegate. For these reasons, the Feekan government will not cast a vote for Starblaydia, however we are certain that if Starblaydia earns the delegacy, the prosperity of Atlantian Oceania will most assuredly continue.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 8 2004, 09:59 AM

As previously stated, these views are of the Starblaydia Government which, if elected, will wield exactly the same power as the Commonwealth of Feeky. We are but one voice in the region of Atlantian Oceania and will vote according to the region's majority will.

On another point, can you qualify your people's accusations of bullying on the international stage and how that would relate to our nation providing the U.N. Delegate?

Posted by: Feeky Aug 8 2004, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Aug 8 2004, 09:59 AM)

On another point, can you qualify your people's accusations of bullying on the international stage and how that would relate to our nation providing the U.N. Delegate?

The people of Feeky, being highly literate and very concerned with the state of the world and the region, have noticed several comments lodged on the behalf of the government of Starblaydia which raise concern. They realize that these comments may have been made unofficially by individuals and/or may have been made under the stress of the delegate race. Here are some prominent examples:

When confronted with an accusation of mudslinging, the response was:

Yes, and I'm a fascist bigot who only listens to people yelling at me. Thankyou for your well-thought out judgement.

The people of feeky are concerned with the passive-aggressive nature of this comment and that the government individual who made it may have a short fuse or may be a "loose cannon".

If you decide to try and sieze any Starblaydi assests, assuming you are elected, I warn you there will most certainy be violence.

The above comment was lodged when a member of another nation's government explained a stance of their nation's policy. The leap to thinking this was an aggessive statement is shocking to the people of feeky who are a peaceful nation believing in only defensive miltary action. The resultant threat of violence was additionally unsettling.

Somehow I'm not surprised at the retreating shot across my bows. Good luck with the revolution, comrade.

This was noted by many people as another passive-aggressive comment.

Most often quoted as the most seirously egregious comment was the following:

Who has supported you other than yourself, Marturia?

This was viewed by many as badgering and an attempt to muscle Marturia into participating in a 'popularity contest' over the issue.

In a series of nationwide polls, Feekans considered the comments above and ones like them as 'somewhat concerning' or 'very concerning' when considering Starblaydia's role in the region as UN delegate between 62% to 84% of the time (ME +/- 4%). In the same polls, however, 76% to 89% (ME +/-2%) of Feekans believed that Starblaydia could function effectively in the position. Thus, these issues, while notable, are not seen as necessarily relevant enough to sway an overall decision but are presented as a concern.

More important is the stance of the Feekan people on gay marriage and nuclear weapons: between 81% and 94% (ME +/- 4%) favor either offically sanctioned full marriage rights for homosexuals or a removal of all acknowledgement of marriage by government, instead calling all unions "civil unions" and reserving the term "marriage" for invidual use by religious institutions; 92% to 98% (ME +/- 4%) favor a UN mandated nuclear weapons ban accompanied by a policy of mutual defense to deter the use of nuclear agents by rogue states. The Feekan government has reacted to these sentiments by removing all mention of marriage from the law books and cancelling all nuclear programs, including nuclear power.

On behalf of the prime minister and people of Feeky, we wish you the best of luck in your campaign for the delegation!

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 8 2004, 02:58 PM

QUOTE

Yes, and I'm a fascist bigot who only listens to people yelling at me. Thankyou for your well-thought out judgement.

The people of feeky are concerned with the passive-aggressive nature of this comment and that the government individual who made it may have a short fuse or may be a "loose cannon".

That response was invoked by this statement:

QUOTE ("Marturia")

I suppose 'pointing things out' to you involves exclaiming loudly about it. You could have mentioned it nicely, but it seems that isn't a part of your little credo.

...which we took to be an inferred insult by Marturian Officials, suggesting 'our little credo' (derogatory in itself) involves being stubborn and unwilling to listen to others, which, we believe, is not the case.

QUOTE

If you decide to try and sieze any Starblaydi assests, assuming you are elected, I warn you there will most certainy be violence.

The above comment was lodged when a member of another nation's government explained a stance of their nation's policy. The leap to thinking this was an aggessive statement is shocking to the people of feeky who are a peaceful nation believing in only defensive miltary action. The resultant threat of violence was additionally unsettling.

This statement was predicting the actions of ordinary, hard-working Starblaydis who have toiled to earn their possessions which would be taken from them were Marturia to be in control of their lives. I assure you that Starblaydis fight back when their hard-earned possessions are taken.

QUOTE

Who has supported you other than yourself, Marturia?

This was viewed by many as badgering and an attempt to muscle Marturia into participating in a 'popularity contest' over the issue.

I fail to see how muscling someone into a 'popularity' contest when other nations are asked to vote for us is a spurious comment. Surely this Vote encapsulates some form of popularity, as does every election? In addition to this, Marturia claimed to have a second vote which was not recorded in his Preliminary Vote (which indicated he had but a single vote - his own), which I was enquiring as to who it was.

QUOTE

Somehow I'm not surprised at the retreating shot across my bows. Good luck with the revolution, comrade.

This was noted by many people as another passive-aggressive comment.

After entering the region to fight a socialist/communist stance and realising he had no votes other than his own, Marturia left claiming a minor debate-inspired victory. This, in essence was an offical Starblaydi reaction of 'meh'.

QUOTE

The Feekan government has reacted to these sentiments by removing all mention of marriage from the law books and cancelling all nuclear programs, including nuclear power.

The Protectorate of Starblaydia is pleased that we can inspire debate in other nations after taking decisions of our own. If anything, the UN Delegate's power is reduced if they put the Resolutions to votes, as they cannot use their single vote for their own purposes. Essentially, voting with the block vote of the Region diminishes the Delegate's views, as they can only express (through the measures i propose to run my Delegacy by) the Region's views, which may well conflict with their own.

We also express our gratitude that the majority of The Commonwealth of Feeky believe we can be an effective Delegate, should we be elected.

And may we also express our gratitude that Feeky, a newcomer to the region (though I'm relatively new myself), has become involved in our election so thoroughly.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 8 2004, 03:54 PM

Lamoni also expresses it's gratitude that the Commonwealth of Feeky has become so involved in the AO delegate elections.

Posted by: Abattoir Aug 8 2004, 08:10 PM

The Feekan government...that is awesome. I say, we all just debate everything, and aruge with each other like hell...I enjoy it.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 11 2004, 02:51 PM

Starblaydia, I (and the members of AO, I should think) would like to see your stance on the following issues:

Communism
Socialism
Education
Capitalism
Abortion
Social Structure
Gay Rights
Welfare
Social Security
Union Laws
Healthcare
Worker's Rights
Euthanasia
Defense
Stem Cells

and

Anything Else.

Don't just tell us that something is good or bad, we wish to hear reasons. Yes, we are well aware that you have already expressed your views on some of these issues, but it would be useful to see what you really believe.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 11 2004, 03:08 PM

QUOTE ("Lamoni")

Starblaydia, I (and the members of AO, I should think) would like to see your stance on the following issues:

Defense
Stem Cells

These are the only two subject areas that I have not answered, so anyone genuinely interested in my views on these simply has to browse the Campaign threads of Myself, Marturia and Lamoni to find out exactly my position on these issues. I suggest you read a little more before asking me to repeat readily-available information.

Defense:
Every nation needs to defend itself, to put it simply. Pre-emptive- and first-strikes are out of the question, in our opinion, as a nation should only defend itself.

Putting this into real-life circumstances: The recent War in Afghanistan against the al-quaida (Sp?)-supporting Taliban regime was justified, whereas the recent (some say current) War in Iraq was not. That is not to say the War in Iraq has not done any good, but it was not justifiable in Starblaydia's military handbook

Stem Cells:
Hopefully I can express this less dully than John Kerry did recently. Stem cell technology offers immense rewards and possibilities to advance and improve human life all around the planet. This can only be a good thing, i believe.

QUOTE ("Lamoni")

Yes, we are well aware that you have already expressed your views on some of these issues, but it would be useful to see what you really believe.

Are you suggesting my stated views and beliefs are in conflict with each other?

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 11 2004, 03:55 PM

QUOTE

Are you suggesting my stated views and beliefs are in conflict with each other?

Lamoni does not suggest that.

QUOTE

This is true, however; the other candidates (myself included) have all this information in one post in their campaign threads so that the members of AO do not have to sift through ALL of the campaign threads in order to find out the views of the candidate's. All that I am suggesting is that you do the same.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 11 2004, 03:59 PM

So why did you raise the point that you my views but want my beliefs? Strange. Anyway.

*wanders way to do some heavy cut & pasting*

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 11 2004, 04:11 PM

http://www.3wideracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=279

Previous U.N. Voting:

FOR The Bio-Rights Declaration
FOR The "Reduce Black Market Arms Sales" resolution
FOR The "Public Domain" resolution
FOR The "Abortion Rights" resolution
FOR The "Ban Trafficking in Persons" resolution
FOR The "Needle Sharing Prevention" resolution
FOR The "Tracking Near Earth Objects" Resolution
FOR The Refugee Protection Act
FOR The "Anti-Illegal Logging" resolution
FOR The "Ban Trafficking in Persons" resolution
Current Resolution: FOR the "Sexes Rights Law"

http://www.3wideracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=314

Defence
I am a great believer in the theory of Mutually Assured Distruction. MAD ensures that no sane nation will launch a nuclear attack on any country who either a)possesses such weapons or b)has allies with such weapons. You may point to terrorist groups and rogue nations who are willing to sacrifice themselves by starting a nuclear war. I put it to you that you cannot un-invent the nuclear weapon. Terrorists and Rogue states seeking to develop such weapons will do so anyway, with or without a United Nations (which they most certainly aren't a part of anyway) Resolution.

Gay Marriage
'Marriage' is a particular religious union between a man and a woman. I have no problems with homosexuals engaging in such a union but I do not believe it should be termed as 'marriage'. The same rights and privilieges that 'regular' married couples enjoy should be granted to Homosexual Civil Unions. The (my) government recognises the union of two people. In a the case of man+woman, this is called a Marriage. In the case of man+man or woman+woman, this is called a Civil Union. Other than that there are no legal differences. Its a deep-seated religious issue, I think.

Healthcare
This may be the one area that we actually agree on something. General Healthcare should be available free at the point of treatment. This is the situation in Starblaydia, mirroring the British NHS system. Starblaydia was once a British colonial outpost in the 1800s. Individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one.

Education
Education for all, that is relevant, both traditional and modern at the same time. Again, individual nations have the right ot make up their own minds and teach their own syllabuses on this one. Public education can bring every pupil down to the lowest common denominator, while Private tends to focus on the academicly gifted, leaving out the 'less-well-able'. And I tend to lean in favour of Private education.

Worker's Rights
"Workers" should not be exploited in any way and be paid a fair wage for a fair day's work without the possibilty of being sacked every 10 seonds. It's a free market, so workers can go wherever they like.

Union Laws
Unions should not be able to hold the country to ransom for pay raises, for instance, above the level of inflation.

Welfare
People who cannot survive above the poverty line must be given aid to do so, however, they must be active in working and attempting to better themselves. No moochers here, thankyou.

Social Security
A social safety net is very useful in preventing nasty things happening <- note to self - why is it always the left-wing loonies who kick up a fuss in debates like this? ->

Euthanasia
In the early days of Starblaydia we made Euthanasia Illegal, as we believed that the overriding Doctor's oath of 'Do No Harm' could not allow a medical healthcare professional to kill any patient willingly. Since that time it has been modified to allow a more Voluntary form of Euthanasia, which allows terminally-ill patients (who are still in sound mind) to indicate they would like treatment to be withdrawn once they have deteriorated to a certain stage.

Abortion
As for abortion, this is legal. Women are allowed to terminate their pregnancies. As I am not a medical healthcare professional I do not know offhand the stage at which phoetus development denies the right to abortion.

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Posted by: Lamoni Aug 11 2004, 04:20 PM

QUOTE

So why did you raise the point that you my views but want my beliefs?

You are missing a word, and you have me wondering what that word would be.

Also, you have not shown your stance on everything on the list. Does this show that Starblaydia has something to hide? We in Lamoni hope that that is not the case.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 11 2004, 04:31 PM

This shows that Lamoni has provided a long-ass list of subjects upon which you would like Lord Mackey's opinion, and also shows that most of them have been answered already. Which specific items would you like his opinion on, so that you can claim he lied about them for sinister intent later on?

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 11 2004, 11:26 PM

QUOTE

Which specific items would you like his opinion on, so that you can claim he lied about them for sinister intent later on?

First, I demand the withdrawl of the "sinister intent" part of that question. The delegate elections should be civilized, and not prone to bickering like little kids (which we have both done, i'll admit).

What I want is your fact based opinion of every item in the previously stated list. No more, no less.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 12 2004, 04:38 AM

[OOC - Sorry about that statement, that caused a fist-on-the-tabvle moment for both the question and the ammount of typing that it would cause. I'm OOCly and ICly sick to death of giving reponses to broad sweeping lists instead of actual questions, as very few posters have done, including other candidates. I hope I didn't offend you with that OOCly or ICly, and if I did I'm sorry, and the statement is retracted

And my behaviour has, if anything, been a more thought out and rationalised version of my 22 year-old self IRL. Were our previous discussions face-to-face I think I may have smacked you one

]

IC

Communism
It works in theory - and its a lovely theory, but not in real life. it may even come to pass and be the dominant form of govenment like Marx theorised, though only in about 200-500 years. Right now Communism is just a tool of oppression behind an unreachable ideal.

Socialism
As a form of government, this is the oppositite to Starblaydia's Conservatism. Spending enormous ammounts of public money to provide free 'stuff' for the nation, I believe, is not a good idea. and leads to ruination (see Britain in the 70s and early 80s, particularly)

Capitalism
Seems like a good idea to me, and I can't think of anything I'd replace it with that's better. CapitaliZts rule, quite literally.

Social Structure
Starblaydia has a nobility system, re-instated fully after many years of absence (though our Lord-Protector title has always been in existence since the British left this colony) Other coutnries have total equality, which we respect. We believe each nation should structure itself according to its tradition and culture, which we have done in our case.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 12 2004, 04:06 PM

QUOTE

And my behaviour has, if anything, been a more thought out and rationalised version of my 22 year-old self IRL. Were our previous discussions face-to-face I think I may have smacked you one.

Same thing from my side. The only difference is that I am 20.

Posted by: Xile Aug 15 2004, 01:43 PM

Alright Lamoni...here is a BROAD sweeping question for you.

What is it that sets you apart from Starblaydia besides your tendency to echo his views on a few subject? Why would YOU be a better delegate than him?

Mostly what I have seen is you have the same ideas, but Starblaydia is more into the rp'ing world, which is something our past delegate lacked. This is why I am voting for Starblaydia, I see you both as about the same, with him a more active role-player.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 15 2004, 09:17 PM

QUOTE

What is it that sets you apart from Starblaydia besides your tendency to echo his views on a few subject? Why would YOU be a better delegate than him?

Well, Lamoni is a democracy. That means that the government must bend to the will of the people. Starblaydia is a "Father knows best" state (As of last UN report I saw). I have been a long time Delegate. Has Starblaydia been delegate BEFORE the elections? I have noticed an undertone of superiority in certain Starblaydi posts. As if he felt that was the "first among equals" in the regional village (Ainorpisp saw it as well). I may not RP as much, but when I do, I turn out good additions to the RP's. I was the one that thought of the AOlympics, which is still in developement, I grant you; however, when it reaches final form, it should make for great RP oppertunities. I also have a more liberal slant that Starblaydia. Now, I don't think that being Liberal or Conservative makes one a better job choice, but that is a point that you might consider.

Posted by: Vilita Aug 15 2004, 10:15 PM

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 15 2004, 10:17 PM)

QUOTE

What is it that sets you apart from Starblaydia besides your tendency to echo his views on a few subject? Why would YOU be a better delegate than him?

We all know what happened to the last Wanna-Be Delegate that proposed an Olympics!!!!

*cough*cough*glassed*cough*

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 16 2004, 08:00 PM

QUOTE

We all know what happened to the last Wanna-Be Delegate that proposed an Olympics!!!!

*cough*cough*glassed*cough*

I have reason to believe that the AOlympics will work.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 17 2004, 03:40 AM

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 16 2004, 08:00 PM)

QUOTE

We all know what happened to the last Wanna-Be Delegate that proposed an Olympics!!!!

*cough*cough*glassed*cough*

I have reason to believe that the AOlympics will work.

And what do you base this opinion on, exactly?

Posted by: Abattoir Aug 17 2004, 09:37 AM

MMM...know what would solve this? WAR!!!!

Posted by: Abattoir Aug 17 2004, 09:38 AM

However, I do enjoy little jokes made about Tachbe. I only wish he was still around to get mad about them...wait...

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 17 2004, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Aug 17 2004, 03:40 AM)

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 16 2004, 08:00 PM)

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We all know what happened to the last Wanna-Be Delegate that proposed an Olympics!!!!

*cough*cough*glassed*cough*

I have reason to believe that the AOlympics will work.

And what do you base this opinion on, exactly?

I base it on facts such as the high participation levels, the "enthusiasm" of the participants, and the fact that Krytenia (a nation that has been in AO for a while) is hosting the first AOlympics. Good enough for you, Starblaydia?

Posted by: Vilita Aug 17 2004, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 17 2004, 09:22 PM)

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Aug 17 2004, 03:40 AM)

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 16 2004, 08:00 PM)

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We all know what happened to the last Wanna-Be Delegate that proposed an Olympics!!!!

*cough*cough*glassed*cough*

I have reason to believe that the AOlympics will work.

And what do you base this opinion on, exactly?

Lets not get hostile now boys, you guys are going to be working side by side as delegate & AORDO president on the new regional council.

Start to like each other now, or one of you could find themselves on Glassed Tachbe... FOR GOOD!

Anyway, Kryt has actually not been in the region all that long, I'll give him another month before granting him with that title, but yes I do feel that He will be able to do a fine job with the upcoming games.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 17 2004, 09:35 PM

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Lets not get hostile now boys, you guys are going to be working side by side as delegate & AORDO president on the new regional council.

Lamoni did not intend to project hostility, and apologizes if that is the impression recieved by the other members of AO.

Posted by: Starblaydia Aug 18 2004, 06:04 AM

QUOTE (Lamoni @ Aug 17 2004, 09:35 PM)

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Lets not get hostile now boys, you guys are going to be working side by side as delegate & AORDO president on the new regional council.

Lamoni did not intend to project hostility, and apologizes if that is the impression recieved by the other members of AO.

OOC: And he says I have a superior tone. Anyway. All adds to the mix of AO's FDC-makeup.

I ask because, to my knowledge, you have been involved in 1 (One) NS sporting competition, which is in its 17th (Seventeenth) evolution and run by a dedicated Committee. Olympics have *never* worked on NS, afaik.

First of all we needed Socrinators, programs what use random numbers to give results. Now, not just one for timing, but one for every single race where time is the result. One formula that is tweaked, yes, but tweaked god-knows how many times to give acceptable results.

Consider just the track events:

100m
400m
1500m
Marathon (42195m)
110 hurdles
4x100m
Decathlon

This means 14 different versions of a time scorinator, all that have to be checked for bugs and other anomalous-result errors. That is a hell of a lot of work. Now I'm not disparaging Kry or anyone else who's taking part in these proposed games over talent, skill, "enthusiasm" (why the quotes, by the way?) or anything else, but overly-complex sporting events fail - quite miserably - on the whole. Note the Olypmics is bloody complicated.

I want this to work, but its just going to take a crapload of effort on Kry's part, plus any help we can give him to get these AOlympics going.

Posted by: Lamoni Aug 18 2004, 08:43 PM

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I want this to work, but its just going to take a crapload of effort on Kry's part, plus any help we can give him to get these AOlympics going.

I want the Aolympics to work as much as you do. The success or failure of these games will be determined by the amount of help that Kry gets from the other member nations of AO. It was known that it will take a lot of work to make the AOlympics a success, and that is why I consulted with Vilita at the beginning.