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Posted by: Tachbe Mar 12 2004, 11:20 AM

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Ok, the map so far. Is it good, bad, are you to small/big, are you in the wrong place, did I miss spell your name, is the whole thing a huge pile of crap?


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Hi, first I will explain why I am not in the region at the moment. I am currently in 10k (Though I am in TITO exercises elsewhere) and I am cleaning up before I go and trying to work out a pack with Grub to help here incase of region crashing. I will move here properly shortly.
Anyway, if people want I can map out the region so people can see where the are in comparison with the others. It will be basic but open to all, just PM me with details of you nation (island, land mass, costal whatever) and anything you think will be nice in the region.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 12 2004, 12:33 PM
Correction, I have now moved to the region ahead of time.

Posted by: Nedlia Mar 12 2004, 12:37 PM
Size: Small, about 30 miles
Land type: Rainforest


Sorry about the lack of details, I've only made my nation yesterday, and I'm still going over the details tongue.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 12 2004, 12:49 PM
Do you mind me making up details of your location, like links to the sea, if you are land locked etc?

Posted by: Vilita Mar 12 2004, 03:46 PM
Vast Rainforest with small wooden and glass based community centers near the southern coast.. rivers run through but do not overpower the island! Some small satellite islands surrounding the main region

Posted by: Nedlia Mar 12 2004, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (Tachbe @ Mar 12 2004, 05:49 PM)
Do you mind me making up details of your location, like links to the sea, if you are land locked etc?

I don't mind, although I would like my nation to be an island or located by a bigger island's coast tongue.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 12 2004, 05:51 PM
here's a small map of what the geography will look like. What do you think? If you have any preferences on where you want to be.

www.sic-alliance.net/Mapsmall.jpg


EDIT: Some places have been taken.DO not be afraid to take more than one chunk, especily if you have an empire. In an island community you will have overseas expansion. If you want to discuss in detail PM me and I will give you my IM.

Posted by: Isadorira Mar 13 2004, 04:46 AM
Isadorira is a mountainous country, with links to the sea through rivers. The low lands of the countryside are largely covered in deciduous woodland, while the high lands are rocky barren areas. Volcanoes in the prehistoric history of the land may have formed the mountains, but these volcanoes are now extinct and the ash from previous eruptions has left fertile lands in the valleys. The largest urban areas are in the central valley, called the Gorge du Eas.


Posted by: Tachbe Mar 13 2004, 09:00 AM
Isadorira: I have moved some borders and made your nation, it now covers the sources and a section of the lengths of the two major rivers.

Nedlia: You are located on the C shaped island on the far left, it has been moved closer to the shore.

Vilita: As requested you are the triangular island in the middle of the cove and the smaller island to the NE of it. You also have the 3 blocks behind the far NE island of the cove.

Principality of Perfectan is landlocked area on the southan area of the main land mass. Principality of Villiges is small nation, 2nd clockwise from the mouth of the cove.

Tachbe has its motherland as the island in the mouth of the cove and small territories, notably the two countries either side of the motherland (they are just to make the place look a bit more busy. Anyone can take the colonies).

Does anyone wish to move and/or expand and take new territories?

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 14 2004, 12:55 PM
plz plz could i be an island thats off the very south west and have many smaller islands surrrounding the main one(whether they be part of my nation or not)
(here's a descpription of my island)
the main island has a very small and flat plain along the coast that is very built up while further inland are many dense pine forest while further inland there is another flat plain (with loads of farms and villages ^^) running up to the mountains and barren plains that dominate the central area ohmy.gif
also the north coast of west coast of the island has fjords) the cities are crammed into 3 places (there are 3 cities) one is in the SW of the island built around a harbour, another is crammed into a small bay in the NE while the 3RD is is built in the north west just north of the fjords(the fjords seperate city1 and city3)

GOD!!! IVE BECOME CONSUMED BY MY ONLINE NATION!!! blink.gif blink.gif ohmy.gif
i have names for the cities too.... ph34r.gif dry.gif
City 1 (SW)=Ayanami, population 1.3 million
City2 (NE)=Kaolla Su,population 800,000
City3(NW)=Katsuragi,population 500,000
(i think i write too much.... wink.gif unsure.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 14 2004, 03:15 PM
Please note, atleast at this stage, that features like mountins and rainforests I can't mark, merely geographical location and borders. However I can mark the location of the capital city with its name.
Once the political map is done I maybe able to create a geographical map though.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 14 2004, 03:28 PM
Okay, your on the map, once we have a few more I will stick it up here.

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 14 2004, 05:29 PM
ok thank you! arigato laugh.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 12:31 PM
:: Map Moved to Top of Page ::

Posted by: Vilita Mar 15 2004, 12:40 PM
Can I get that other little Island in Vilita Cove to the north East and the bit of land bordering you to the south of it? smile.gif I need a place to base our new space program smile.gif

Posted by: Nedlia Mar 15 2004, 12:40 PM
Exactly what I was looking for tongue.gif

I'm also pleased I have room for development there: my nation is slowly getting larger, and there's some nice lands I may expand to soon.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 12:43 PM
x3widRacin - done

Nedlia - how would you like those two islands near you, or that bit of land your next to?

Posted by: Crystilakere Mar 15 2004, 12:56 PM
Would it be possible to move my nation to the area on the right of the map where the second land mass begins, there is a sort of "3" formed by the land and an island between it

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 01:19 PM
So what exactly what do you want.
Top peninsular
middle peninsular
bottom peninsular
island.
Tick any appropriate

Posted by: Crystilakere Mar 15 2004, 01:26 PM
Not sure what any of that means but can i just have the whole area forming a true 3 and the island in between

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 02:06 PM
updated. See map.

Posted by: Nedlia Mar 15 2004, 02:07 PM
QUOTE (Tachbe @ Mar 15 2004, 05:43 PM)
Nedlia - how would you like those two islands near you, or that bit of land your next to?

I've taken a look, and I think i'd like those two islands please tongue.gif

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 15 2004, 02:08 PM
could i have a few more small islands....only small ones though they are:
the squareish one just above where it says Mitsune konno sea and a few stragler islands just north of mainland MK. plz plz plz

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 15 2004, 02:09 PM
remember only the small islands laugh.gif biggrin.gif huh.gif ohmy.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 02:10 PM
I'll get right on it

Posted by: Salmantic Mar 15 2004, 02:11 PM
Well look! its the new guy! i would much appreciate if i could have the northern most territory and the tiny island in the northwest. Im a pretty large nation so that seems resonable. Awesome map btw!

Posted by: Windywater Mar 15 2004, 02:13 PM
I don't want to be rude, but can i have the the land to the right of Nedlia please? tongue.gif

FIRST POST! laugh.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 02:41 PM
updated, see map

edit: missed those last two posts. Stand by

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 15 2004, 03:01 PM
updated

Posted by: Windywater Mar 15 2004, 03:17 PM
Thanks Tachbe, that's exactly the area i wanted! (And you didn't spell my nation's name wrong either! wink.gif )

tongue.gif laugh.gif tongue.gif


Posted by: Salmantic Mar 15 2004, 04:37 PM
awesome, thanks. even a salmantic sea! much appreciated.

Posted by: Tilan Mar 15 2004, 07:48 PM
Good evening.

I know I am only a very small nation, but I was wondering if I could have get a piece? Preferably the smaller of the two areas below Aland (Tachbe), assuming my potential neighbors are willing. And if it’s not too much trouble the little island in the cove? The map is looking great, by the way!

-Minister of Tilan

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 15 2004, 07:50 PM
hey tilan!

Posted by: Tilan Mar 15 2004, 07:55 PM
Well, hallo! It's sad that it took the dividing up of land to get me to post. I guess you all don't bite, I might have to try more often.
-Tilan

Posted by: Nilt Mar 15 2004, 10:31 PM
Can you please put the Dominion of Nilt in the small region below Aland?

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 16 2004, 08:42 AM
Extendend your borders to mine tilan so that were near neighbours
plz plz plz ohmy.gif

Posted by: Windywater Mar 16 2004, 08:45 AM
I've decided i want my country extended, it looks too small from what my visions intend...

Basicly, can i have that patch that's just below me?

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 16 2004, 08:48 AM
What if you want to change your nations flag???? huh.gif wink.gif

Posted by: Windywater Mar 16 2004, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (Mitsune Konno @ Mar 16 2004, 01:48 PM)
What if you want to change your nations flag???? huh.gif wink.gif

Well, maybe he'll just say "Tough luck."

Posted by: Vilita Mar 16 2004, 08:50 AM
upload a flag then!

Posted by: Windywater Mar 16 2004, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (x3widRacin @ Mar 16 2004, 01:50 PM)
upload a flag then!

That will work too! laugh.gif

Posted by: Nemya Mar 16 2004, 10:56 AM
Okay, here's a thing:
I would like the area to the right of Vilita, you know the one that looks like a upside down wine glass that has coasts in the channel and salmantic sea. Also, we are an Empire and have big rears so we were wondering if we could have the top region on the big island to the right (the one that has Crystilakere on it,the very top of the that one), it's like divided in two almost and can we have that island above it that looks like a slug. We really like our big rears to have space. Hey, this is fun. It's like looking at clouds.

Okay here's another thing. This isn't the place to ask, I'm sure, but I mine as well do it now before I get added to the map: I have two nations in this region. As long as only one of them votes in the legislature is it okay that I carry on posting and such with both?


Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 11:06 AM
I hate long nights. All requests will be delt with shortly.
If anyoen changes their flag, I iwll update the map but please don't make a habit of it smile.gif.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 12:19 PM
Okay, I have sorted everyones orders, on and off the forum, and there has been a tiny comprimise due to over booking on the SW sector, of those peoples who feel they need more space theres the island below above Mitsune Konno that has some extra space for expansion.

The map is again now updated. To save you flicking back to page one I have it here.
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Posted by: Salmantic Mar 16 2004, 03:46 PM
Salmantic's population is soon to break 300 Million, I think i need a little more space........ how about the 2 territories to the west? if you think it should only be 1 to the west thats fine, i dont want to be greedy

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 16 2004, 03:58 PM
there need to be more nations in the east (i dont mean nations extending their borders mind you!) wink.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 04:01 PM
I will give you one territory, plus that tiny one below you but not the remaining one.

I addition I am expanding some of my areas a bit, but I don't want to get too big so I am selling off land.
For the moment the Salom Is is going, I suggest that Nedlia take that but its open to all. Also the border area of Aland is going as that regions in high demand, sort of, so those countries could extend their borders north if they wish. I will upload a new map once some more changes come in.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 04:03 PM
Mitsune Konno,

I have been making the land in the east into larger blocks to enourage that.

Posted by: Salmantic Mar 16 2004, 04:05 PM
Alright, Salmantic gratefully moves it's prosperity into the new territories it has been allowed to acquire. Thank you

Posted by: Tilan Mar 16 2004, 04:07 PM
QUOTE (Tachbe @ Mar 16 2004, 09:01 PM)
Also the border area of Aland is going as that regions in high demand, sort of, so those countries could extend their borders north if they wish. I will upload a new map once some more changes come in.

[QUOTE]
That's very nice. I would just love a little of Aland. Not too much, mind you. Maybe Nilt wants a piece?
-T

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 04:10 PM
Okay, bit for you.



btw, I will eventualy implement expansion guildlines incase some people in the future facny the map.

Posted by: Windywater Mar 16 2004, 04:39 PM
Curses! Nilt has taken my expansion spot!

Well, can i have that small spot below me? The one at the left?

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 04:49 PM
done. Anymore? Theres a remaning area of Aland above Windywater and Nilt open plus the Salom islands. Whos up for it before I go offline for the night?

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 16 2004, 05:12 PM
ill have the 2 nations in the crystillakere channel

Posted by: Nemya Mar 16 2004, 05:19 PM
If we could be service,
The big reared individuals of Nemya are very greedy, so greedy that you should smack them twice for even asking, but could they have the land locked area below the Atlani or Altani or whatever crossing. If not, it's okay to say so.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 16 2004, 05:22 PM
done, updated

Posted by: Nemya Mar 16 2004, 05:26 PM
It's looking great!!

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 17 2004, 11:55 AM
I did say I would make guidlines but that proved a bit hard to make them realistic so insted I will just stop people expanding if they are going too fast or cover too much of the map. At the moment Tachbe and Vilita will be compleatly frozen, no expansion fo territory will be alowed for 3 weeks, the same restrictiosn apply to Salmatics Motherland (overseas expansion alowed). Some other nations are close to having restrictions placed upon them but there ok for now.

Posted by: Nilt Mar 17 2004, 12:27 PM
Awesome map!

Posted by: Crystilakere Mar 17 2004, 04:27 PM
Crystilakere does not need so much land, just so long as it keeps the coasts along the coves!

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 17 2004, 05:32 PM
could you change the flag with islands in the crystilakere channel (as they are my colony) to the flag of Kaworu!!9yes i own it but im debating into whether to delete it) wink.gif

Posted by: Vilita Mar 17 2004, 05:34 PM
Why don't you use the kowuru account then; and If you delete it I'm confiscating one of those Islands, the other someone else can have smile.gif

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 17 2004, 05:36 PM
Kaworu will be deleted (but i have loads of other nations waiting to be deleted also)
so u'll have ta wait 28 days

Posted by: Vilita Mar 17 2004, 05:37 PM
We can always banish it and not wait at all smile.gif

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 17 2004, 05:38 PM
do that then. ph34r.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 18 2004, 09:12 AM
So whats happening?

(Crystilakere - updated, that what you mean?)


Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 18 2004, 01:02 PM
ill keep the islands

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 18 2004, 05:03 PM
ignore my suggestion if you want but u could do the same map only instead of featuring the nations u could have the geological features like mountains etc.
but its just a suggestion so ignore if u dont want to.

Posted by: Vilita Mar 19 2004, 12:53 PM
Vilita offers to trade MK for the northern most island in the Crystilakere Channel in return for $15,000,000 in Geological Protections services on the outer islands of The Mitsunne Konno Archipalego.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 19 2004, 01:54 PM
Mitsune Konno, I am going to go a geographical map eventualy due to the detail the map will probably be done in segments, like the SE, The Cove, The east island etc. I am going to wait a little longer before doing that so new isaldns etc can settle an dnew nations wanting certain features can get them when they join. The SE region is just about full, that will be the first region to have a geo-map drawn.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 19 2004, 03:54 PM
updated, added a few new systems to work on

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 19 2004, 04:31 PM
My cities are in the following:

Ayanami=on mainland and on that thin bit of land connecting that triangular land to the MK mainland
Katsuragi=on the mainland,in the NW and just bove that island by NW shore.
Kaolla Su=on mainland and at the tip the NE peninsula that sticks out slightly

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 19 2004, 04:33 PM
capital cities get named, others are just city marks. Sorry but ot will get a bit cramed with all the city names. WHich oens the capital?

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 19 2004, 04:36 PM
well as Ayanami is the biggest even though it isnt the capital (the capital moves from city to city)it IS the biggest thus shows its importance so Ayanami will be on the map
(ps. u dont have to but Kaolla su could be named KS ans Katsuragi KG but you dont have to.)

Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 19 2004, 04:37 PM
* ignore the ps. KS KG etc. thing ok!!!!!

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 19 2004, 04:48 PM
updated
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Posted by: Mitsune Konno Mar 19 2004, 04:53 PM
PERFECT!!! now Mk needs the bridggebut also we nned to find out more about what the other nations think.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 20 2004, 01:12 PM
Just a new regulation for incomg nations. You have take a maximum of 3 blocks of land to start off. Existing nations can take a maximum of one block per week (no rollovers, and not forever) and it must be the darker green land, light green if for new nations only.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 24 2004, 01:53 PM
I have ended the anti-expansion rules as I now want to encourage it, but only in the SW and the N&NW as these are almost full and I can start doing geo maps soon for them. So sectors 3, 4, 35, 36 need to be occupied. If they are not I will occupy them, you may have notived I have re-occupited a few areas, you are welcomed to have them if you want of course, and Salmatic has gained the small end peninsular he asked for before

Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 24 2004, 06:00 PM
39, 16, and 10 please.

Posted by: Tachbe Mar 25 2004, 10:36 AM
Done.

I have also enlarged all the new areas as I am finding it hard to fit peoples name on in some places. New nations now take one block so they're in one place with lots of room to write smile.gif. Expansion alowed of course as normal.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 6 2004, 10:02 AM
I have done some minor updates.
Of course theres the question of MK. If indeed he is gone for good theres his territories. I am sure Vilita would want the two islands in C' channel, I am inclned just to erase the main group. I would want a clear word on MK's status first of course before I do anything.

Posted by: Holy Saints Apr 11 2004, 01:04 AM
hey, am i allowed to get a HUGE chunk o land due to my nation size? specifically having 27, 25, 24, 31, and then having AM diagonally hatched indicating puppetness?

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 11 2004, 04:13 AM
hmmm. Normaly I would say its too much, but you are far bigger than any other nation. I will grant this huge landgrab but I am extending the borders of 11 a little bit and all surrounding nation blocks are new new nations only now. Limmited imperial expansion will be granted in the future.
The map will be updated once a new deals are finilised.

Posted by: Vilita Apr 11 2004, 10:22 AM
I think it's about time we started dishing out MK's land smile.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 11 2004, 01:34 PM
I have added (int admin) under his name for now. For diving the land I open 3 options to you.
1. I wipe it all off as it was made for MK
2. We sell it all off as a whole
3. I divide it into differn't sectors of groups of islands and areas of the land and people can pick up little outposts there

Posted by: Holy Saints Apr 11 2004, 09:37 PM
ok, thankyou.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 12 2004, 09:41 AM
4th option - Make it into an open park for the whole region under an international administration, a nature reserve of sorts.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 12 2004, 09:57 AM
Map updated. Areas of the Tachbe Federation are for sale again, two areas are open once somone claims them, not before as they have vital transport links running through them.

Posted by: Samonina Apr 13 2004, 06:09 AM
4th option is quite appealing

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 14 2004, 07:55 AM
I have implemented number 4 on the map for now, can always be changed. The far SW island is under part control of AORDO as talked about in the AORDO forum, if anyone objects to that speak up.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 16 2004, 12:38 PM
I welcome the new nations currently floating around. I know two of you are here. Perhaps you might like to purchase a bit of prime real estate.
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To sum up for ne wnations. One block at first please unless your massive. You can expand later. Anything with a number you can have. And I think nedlias territory will be on the market soon so I might release his 2 extra islands if you realy want. Pale Green is especily for new members. Might I suggest the south east is reletivly open so if you plan to expand in the future thats a good place.

Posted by: Salmantic Apr 16 2004, 01:22 PM
i totally forgot about airports!! hahaha. there is an international airport in the western part of the nation. in a city on the west coast right on that little indent... sorry geographical terms lacking..............

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 16 2004, 02:02 PM
Right. Btw 13 is avalible if you want one last expansion.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 16 2004, 02:14 PM
Can we get new nations to pick territory quickly and for current nations to snap up territories. Once nearly all areas are taken here I'll open a new island with lots of new space but I can't do that while theres still spaces here (partly because I have developed a new system of empty spaces)

Posted by: Vilita Apr 16 2004, 02:31 PM
I imagine MK's land could be associated with the nation dubbed "Atlantian Oceania" smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 16 2004, 02:40 PM
Wlel its an international park. The lands taken and that nation is a puppet isn't it. I fit needs land it can fill space elsewhere. Nedlias land will go eventualy and theres my old land plus the free spaces around the place.

Posted by: Holy Saints Apr 17 2004, 01:00 AM
11 please.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 17 2004, 04:32 AM
Done. I also extended the road to lead to Tilan compleating the circle. I truth neither of you has objections to that

Posted by: Nedlia Apr 17 2004, 08:39 AM
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO OUR BEAUTIFUL MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ohmy.gif

Joking, but wow, was I inactive for really THAT long???

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 17 2004, 08:41 AM
Are you back full time now?

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 17 2004, 10:27 AM
map updated.

Posted by: Nedlia Apr 17 2004, 10:31 AM
QUOTE (Tachbe @ Apr 17 2004, 01:41 PM)
Are you back full time now?

Yes, I'm back now. biggrin.gif

I'd like to expand to island 16.

Posted by: Vilita Apr 17 2004, 10:32 AM
pffft you think you can just show up and take some land.... pffft....


smile.gif smile.gif

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 17 2004, 10:36 AM
The islands you had before have already been restored. They were forzen when you were inactive.

Posted by: Nedlia Apr 17 2004, 10:43 AM
QUOTE (x3widRacin @ Apr 17 2004, 03:32 PM)
pffft you think you can just show up and take some land.... pffft....


smile.gif smile.gif

Doing a disappearing act is not one of my main habits tongue.gif

Tachbe, so is that were my other two islands went? Whoa blink.gif

Posted by: Crystilakere Apr 17 2004, 03:27 PM
What happened to the big land mass in the middle wasnt some of it used to be vilita?

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 04:07 AM
I hope your not talking about the Atlanti-corssing area, becuase we talked about that remeber, joint admin...

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 08:38 AM
(map updated)


Come on people, we have lots of land that needs to be filled up. Before I get a new area up for people I want 10, 13, 7 and 5 filled by somone one or i'll have it, and I dont want them. I know there are pleanty of nations who have grown alot since they were put on the map and will be needing space.
Salmatic, how about 13?
Nedlia, how about 10?
Nemya, how about 7?
Vilita, how about atleast a bit of 5?

The rest need to be filled but I could leave those open, they're not vital.

Posted by: Vilita Apr 18 2004, 10:05 AM
yea i'll take what needs taking of land mass 5

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 11:25 AM
Done. If all the bits arn't claimed by tomorow I will have the temporarily occupied for the release of the new map.

Posted by: Salmantic Apr 18 2004, 12:30 PM
sure ill take 13

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 12:58 PM
done.

Posted by: Nedlia Apr 18 2004, 02:58 PM
Sure, I'll take 10.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 04:18 PM
done, map will be updated soon.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 18 2004, 04:19 PM
btw, are there any requests for the map extension?

Posted by: Holy Saints Apr 19 2004, 12:28 AM
a couple of islands, 3 or 4 of em, spread about as outposts.

Posted by: Tachbe Apr 19 2004, 10:09 AM
Don't worry, there will be pleanty of islands.

I will now be finalising the map ready to put up soon. No one ask for anything till its up.

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