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Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 08:14 AM

What's all this about?
We used to have three amazing alliances that split AO into three ideological camps, then they all ended up going to war after months and months of posturing and posing, and dogpiled Starblaydia.

It was AWESOME

Now we have an alliance in the form of the Confederation of Common States, but nothing to oppose them, or even provoke any sort of activity from them whatsoever.

This is where I come in, along with all of you.

Since calling time out on the last major regional war due to a change of government, Starblaydia has been a fairly nice, inoffensive, regional sleeping giant. But now the time has come to change this.

So what do you propose?
I would like every nation in AO (aiming high, yes, but I don't know any other way of aiming) to post their government type and what sort of alliance they'd like to be in.

You can join the currently dominant Confederation of Common States, of nations who weren't big players in the past but recently have banded together and are stronger than the sum of their parts.

You can join Starblaydia in a re-formed Strategic Alliance of Autocratic States for autocratic/dictator nations. We'd be the 'bad' guys, but get to strut around being amazing.

You could start and join a Neutral faction. Something like the ASPIRE (Alliance for Stability, Peace and Intra-Regional Entente) alliance that used to exist. If nothing else, you can just plump for the neutral option, RP about joining that a bit, and then I'll never bother you again.

Maybe you want to create a new alliance? Do we have a lot of Socialists to band together, or intervention-taking regional democracy builders? How about a purely economic alliance for those who only like $$$, or one based on religious grounds?

All I'm after is for you guys and gals to get involved, because AO is here for more than just sports. We're all OOC friends here, but in IC we can really go to town on each other. Do you have a nemesis in AO, and if not, why not?

Let me know

Posted by: Svengarda Oct 11 2012, 08:58 AM

Well I've always invisiged Svengarda as a fairly normal state, no crackpot dictators, so I was propbably gonna go with a Parliamentry Democracy with a monarch, much like Great Britain, as we are sort of a Great Britain (the three states, Kurrika, Lapuna & Kalstorm).

But the urge to strut about with Star, that's been my NS dream... But I reckon I'll stick with a Parliamentary Democracy

So with that, I'd probably go with CoCS...

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 09:02 AM

QUOTE (Svengarda @ Oct 11 2012, 02:58 PM)

But the urge to strut about with Star, that's been my NS dream...

Sarcasm appreciated

If you know for certain that the CCS is your thing, then simply go straight http://www.3wideracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2334 and sign the charter

Posted by: Valanora Oct 11 2012, 09:58 AM

Well, we're a Constitutional/Parlimentary Monarchy, with a good amount of power still within the hands of the Monarch, but there is also the Military Council, who has a limited amount of power when it comes to the national army's affairs. We already have an alliance with Starblaydia, but not much beyond that. Since Vanorians really don't consider themselves "bad" guys, if a war were to break out, they'd revert back to being a neutral nation with an NAP with those purple bullies to the north.

If anyone is interested, there could be an alliance or strategic arrangement with other nations who are mostly elves or have a large elven population. Thanks to Star, I'm thinking about calling it TRANQUIL if it does come about, standing for (The Righteous Alliance of elven Nations and Quality Union Intelligence League). It'd be a loose alliance, mostly for intelligence sharing and defending of member nations if they come under attack. It would in no ways be used for aggressive encounters.

Posted by: Falcania Oct 11 2012, 10:22 AM

So, You Want To Join The CCS?

The two great and ancient-ish nations of The Free Kingdom of Falcania and The Draggonnii Socialist Empire of Andossa Se Mitrin Vega first really came into contact with one another when Sorthern Northland http://www.3wideracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2289&st=0 Both nations submitted substantial military forces to the relief effort, and nearly came to blows. Turns out it was insurgents, though.

Anyway, shortly afterwards, they became close, and shortly after that, recognising that disparate forms of governance are no real reason not to form an alliance.

Since then, the Confederation of Common States has endeavoured to further the interests of its member states in the global arena, regardless of any ideological differences they may hold. Admission is technically by invitation, though interested parties should not hesitate to contact either of the founding nations, to arrange an informal hearing for a national delegation. (That is to say, get in touch, and we'll talk it out). Have a look at our http://www.3wideracing.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2334.

What's that? Bird people?

Falcania is a colossal nation populated largely by Falcanians, or "High Men," who are basically people and also birds. As a people, they are proud, particularly of their martial prowess and great wealth. As a nation, the Free Kingdom is ruled nominally by the Royal House of Falcon, the current monarch being King Falcon III. However, governance is largely devolved to a score of Falcanian-headquartered corporate entities, comprising some of the largest industrial, financial, and technological firms in the region. The largest and most powerful of these is the Falcanian National Corporation, the company set up by the King to protect the nation and further its national interests - essentially, the corporate and political face of the Free Kingdom. As well as the Council of the Nation, they also control the nation's large standing military.

Posted by: Falcania Oct 11 2012, 10:26 AM

QUOTE (Svengarda @ Oct 11 2012, 01:58 PM)

Svengarda has proven himself to me, personally, as a sky-hot roleplayer in the BoF thread, so you can consider yourself having been provisionally invited to the CCS, though I'll need to consult ASMV about it.

Leorudo, also, we're willing to consider.

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Oct 11 2012, 10:37 AM

Let's see how to put this as I consider it ICly complicated. ASMV touts itself as a Socialist Empire built upon an existing Monarchy. However, when you really boil it down to its roots, you get more of a Benevolent Autocracy with Socialist tendencies.

The originl alliance built with Falcania (that became the basis for the CCS) was honestly (for the Vegai at least) based at least as much on the fact that both of our races are mutating (From Falcania's weird bird-men to the more subtle Draconic reaits beginning to show in the Vegai) as anything else.

While Estrianii has usually been touted as bnevolent, we will see what comes of her desire for regional prowess and expansion.

Svengarda, based on Falc's recomndation is accepted by me as well. Leorudo joining the CCS would be a sticky briar in Star's side so that's fine with me as well. They both just need to have the Charter signed.

Along with Savski Venac that makes 5 CCS members.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 10:40 AM

So actually the CCS founders are more likely to be aligned with Starblaydia (ASMV for historical reasons and Falc for RAWR reasons) than anyone else? Man that was so funny! :D brilliant.

Always room for more Alliances.... 'Normal' nations, get your ideas in and speak up!

Posted by: Falcania Oct 11 2012, 10:43 AM

Hey, Starblaydia might have been the original RAWRCRUSH nation, but the word came from a Falcanian brain.

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Oct 11 2012, 10:44 AM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 10:40 AM)

So actually the CCS founders are more likely to be aligned with Starblaydia (ASMV for historical reasons and Falc for RAWR reasons) than anyone else? Man that was so funny!

brilliant.

Well, if you choose to look at it that way.... Oh Man I'm laughing so hard after that one!!

. Too much truth to that somewhere.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (Falcania @ Oct 11 2012, 04:43 PM)

Hey, Starblaydia might have been the original RAWRCRUSH nation, but the word came from a Falcanian brain.

And we made a poster.

user posted image

Posted by: Falcania Oct 11 2012, 11:01 AM

Still my proudest claim to fame.

Posted by: Kinitaria Oct 11 2012, 11:19 AM

Is there any call for an alliance of left-leaning/socialist/communist states? We're a socialist republic, but we're the 'good' socialists, not the evil Stalinist autocrats.

Posted by: Wight Oct 11 2012, 11:50 AM

[OOC] I'll pitch in willingly, sounds like fun. I'm already ICly aligned with ASMV to a certain degree, CCS would be of interest, especially the common bit, as Wightlingfolk are unrelentingly common.

Wight is a benevolent dictatorship with syndicalist underpinnings and almost no military capability. It would not be feasible/realistic to enter in any shenanigans as a major player or even an ambitious one, but it is probably quite inclined to involve itself in regionwide plots, assassinations, conspiracies, double-dealings, insurgencies and counter-insurgencies, refuge of political exiles, black propaganda, culture jamming and government infiltration. There is a widespread state-sponsored loathing of elves, particularly southern ones, and other peoples with superiority complexes. For reasons explored in recent story-telling cycles, the nation holds the Draggonnii Socialist Empire in the highest esteem. These relate to the on-off - or off-off depending on who you believe - relationship between the two nation's supreme deities.

[IC] Wight is certainly viewing the resurgence of ambitious neighbours with a healthy dose of suspicion. Probably inclined to neutrality, two circumstances threaten to change this.

Firstly, anticipating this blatant call to arms by Starblaydia - the implicit 'your are either with us or against us' has not gone unnoticed in Spit and the Foreign Office has called on extra volunteers from local government to help with the effort to jump to conclusions - we now host a major combined force of ASMV military at the Sa Tu'urk base to look after our sovereignty whilst managing their own north eastern trade routes. Not a moment too soon, it seems.

Secondly, whilst we have no extra-sovereign ambitions of our own regionally, except perhaps to win an AOCAF, we do have a Ministry for Narrative Intrigue which has specialist agents on the ground in all the big powers and some of the small ones, on the look out for an opportunity to meddle. They are highly trained in the meddlesome and dishonest arts and it's probably about time we flicked the 'GO' switch on these sleeper cells.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (Wight @ Oct 11 2012, 05:50 PM)

Firstly, anticipating this blatant call to arms by Starblaydia - the implicit 'your are either with us or against us' has not gone unnoticed in Spit and the Foreign Office has called on extra volunteers from local government to help with the effort to jump to conclusions

Thanks for jumping to conclusions, but there's absolutely nothing to indicate Starblaydia is on the turn again yet - it's a plot completely in the pipeline with nothing going on in government to suggest something's about to happen.

Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener? Are there no faces and heels any more except me? I'm out of touch, man!

Posted by: Wight Oct 11 2012, 12:19 PM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 12:06 PM)

Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener?

More Wight than grey but definitely on the monochrome palette.

Posted by: Geisenfried Oct 11 2012, 01:51 PM

I did have an idea recently when considering the consequences of different sentient species living under a single government, especially one designed specifically for humanity in mind. For example, how would you deal with a social security-like welfare in a state when you have a small segment of the population that has a significantly higher lifespan the rest of the citizenry? In the end, I figured that eventually, the human majority would desire to limit citizenship and all the rights included therein to humans. But taking into consideration that there are elven and even dwarven segments of population scattered throughout AO, wouldn't it be inevitable that some would like to immigrate? How would the government deal with that? Wouldn't codifying legal preference to only a segment of the population (no matter how dominant) eventually lead to strife from the minority population? And could that lead to a reactionary response, leading towards a sort of 'human supremacist' sort of doctrine?

It was a fun little thought experiment, but one I ultimately canned, if only because 'Germanic nation' and 'supremacist doctrine' was massively cliche. But if it brings up interest, I figured I might bring it up, especially if ESF is going to form sort of an 'elven league'.

Otherwise, as I said earlier on the RMB, Geisenfried's a slightly left-leaning constitutional monarchy with an isolationist bent, but that's not exactly helpful for the whole 'alliance-building' thing.

Posted by: Farfadillis Oct 11 2012, 01:53 PM

Farfadillis is a federal republic, we do have some things in common with monarchies, which is the federal council, its decisions can't be repelaed unless the federal council agrees to it. However, the federal council is elected, so we resmble more a democracy. We're also small and overpopulated, with a good economy according to NS (I'd be inferior to you guys RPing, though, but I imagine my nation like a powerful one in economic terms). I'd like to join the Confederation of Common States.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 02:15 PM

QUOTE (Geisenfried @ Oct 11 2012, 07:51 PM)

It was a fun little thought experiment, but one I ultimately canned, if only because 'Germanic nation' and 'supremacist doctrine' was massively cliche. But if it brings up interest, I figured I might bring it up, especially if ESF is going to form sort of an 'elven league'.

Considering Starblaydia's elven population live in a Lórien-esque hidden wooded large village-type place, they're pretty much independent and largely brokered the current friendship between Starblaydia and Valanora. They'd be hihgly likely, after having withdrawn from Starblaydi everyday society to want to be a part of TRANQUIL, though without upping sticks and moving. That could add an interesting industry-versus-treehuggers dimension to my side of things, plus give ESF a very minor partner in TRANQUIL

Posted by: Geisenfried Oct 11 2012, 02:28 PM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 02:15 PM)

QUOTE (Geisenfried @ Oct 11 2012, 07:51 PM)

Well, the line of thought was, the whole issue of human v. non-human comes up, the citizenship legislation is proposed and passes, TRANQUIL is formed and announced somewhere around the same time, a domestic 'pro-humanity' organization pops up and whips up a frenzy about TRANQUIL really being an elven conspiracy to control the region, some sort of incident with non-human dissent explode somewhere in the country, a reactionary government gets voted into power, tries to gather like-minded states for... let's call it ASH - the Alliance for the Sovereignty of Humanity, a whole bunch of ASH-TRANQUIL tensions and probably eventually a war a long way on down the line.

But again, not sure if I want to go the cliche route of having my German-inspired nation undergo a whole specieal-supremacist phase (which, as far as the region goes is basically racial supremacy) and all that jazz unless it's a real way to get the whole national/political RP start rolling again. Right now it's just everybody join the CCS.

Posted by: Kinitaria Oct 11 2012, 02:45 PM

No-one interested in a socialist alliance? Hm. I guess Kinitaria will just have to expand indefinitely outwards (some new land was just uncovered to the south, if I recall correctly...), becoming the bulwark of the people's revolution in AO and bringing liberation to the masses. Or something.

Posted by: Wight Oct 11 2012, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Kinitaria @ Oct 11 2012, 02:45 PM)

I believe Wight would be interested in a federation of socialist & syndicalist states, especially in supporting our oppressed brothers in pig capitalist cartel states or bastardo feudalist monarchies. As stated before, not with military might but through the purity of our egalitarian aspirational philosophies, and dirty tricks.

Posted by: Kinitaria Oct 11 2012, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Wight @ Oct 11 2012, 08:54 PM)

This seems like an excellent idea. Anything to further the spread of workers' rule throughout the region - and let's face it, dirty tricks are the only way to go. We're definitely in.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 04:14 PM

That's the spirit!

Posted by: Leorudo Oct 11 2012, 04:52 PM

This is all OOC.

Well, I think that this is a great idea to start some activity into the region, and I think my nation bests fits the CCS, so I am intending on joining. If anyone has any problems with this, please let me know now before this whole thing starts.

Posted by: Falcania Oct 11 2012, 06:06 PM

QUOTE

Wight, it'd be a pleasure to have you onboard, if you think the CCS would represent Wight's best interests.

QUOTE

Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener? Are there no faces and heels any more except me? I'm out of touch, man!

We can't all be as cool as me, Star

QUOTE

Farfadillis, we would consider you for membership.

Basically, my current plan is to hold a vaguely and arbitrarily-decided "signup period" for people who want to join the CCS this batch. When this is done, we'll review the charter, see how we're all doing.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 11 2012, 06:10 PM

What I'd point out to newer nations is don't just join the CCS as the default option. One founder is full of insane killy death bird freaks from an industrial nightmare land, while the other is a 'mostly' benevolent socialist dictator.

Not quite the UN here, folks

Hence my support of Kinitaria and Wight setting up something of their own, as well as ESF doing something of his own (unless more people have elves, of course)

Posted by: Valanora Oct 11 2012, 06:14 PM

Expanding upon that, TRANQUIL, is not only for elves per se, though elven nations would be more favorable and guaranteed an alliance. Something that I'm toying around with, if TRANQUIL takes off, is having those that wish to join, in the first stage just sharing intel and after a certain amount of time (IC and OOC) bumping them up to a full alliance member if they prove reliable (again both IC and OOC). So don't feel like you can't join TRANQUIL just because you don't have elves or they don't make up a large portion of your population.

Posted by: Naitpyge Oct 11 2012, 08:07 PM

Not sure where Naitpyge would/could fit. The CCS seems rather harmless, just a bunch of nations that consider themselves "friends." The SAAS would be kinda alright too, but I'm not sure how authoritarian Naitpyge really is. We definately wouldn't join TRANQUIL, as the population of elves is probably around 10. And then there's Kinitaria's Socialist/Leftist alliance, which I definately wouldn't mind joining, it's just that Naitpyge is pretty socialy conservative, and I'm not sure how we'd get along on that front.

So I guess we'll go to whoever wants us the most. Just place your bids below.

Posted by: Warkus Oct 12 2012, 01:57 AM

Hmm...

Not too sure where Warkus would find themselves. While the way Warkus looks currently, they'd go straight for the CSS. However, I'm soon to be orchestrating the beginning of a dictatorship and the fall of the surprisingly-freedom loving Warkus.

Right now, I'm going to stay neutral, but in the coming days we're going to lean closer and closer to SAAS.

Posted by: Bettia Oct 12 2012, 05:04 AM

Historically, Bettia has tended to remain neutral and not get too involved in foreign affairs...

Posted by: Northern Bettia Oct 12 2012, 05:06 AM

Northern Bettia, on the other hand, are well known for being a complete shower of bastards, especially now they are ruled by their new and ultra-terrifying dictator. Therefore, they would be well-suited to the Strategic Alliance of Autocratic States. Let the fun and games commence!

Posted by: Falcania Oct 12 2012, 06:01 AM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 11:10 PM)

Hence my support of Kinitaria and Wight setting up something of their own, as well as ESF doing something of his own (unless more people have elves, of course)

This is true. Most smaller nations will (at best) be used as proxy warriors in any inevitable huge conflict I get involved in. The most likely outcome is we'll say "Hey! Starblaydia! War Time! Go at them, Leorudo!" and then Leorudo's pair of tanks will come up against the might of the Starblaydi war engine.

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 12 2012, 06:52 AM

QUOTE (Falcania @ Oct 12 2012, 12:01 PM)

The most likely outcome is we'll say "Hey! Starblaydia! War Time! Go at them, Leorudo!"

Go! Leorudo!
Leorudo used everything they've got!
It's not very effective...
What will Starblaydia do?
Starblaydia used RAWRCRUSH!
It's super effective!
Leorudo fainted!

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Oct 12 2012, 11:08 AM

I think Leo feinted just reading that.

I like Kintaria and Wight's idea. The region could use some sort of covert ninja/assassin conglomerate to deal wth. That would be a challenge for all of us IC.

And I see no problem with ASMV an Wight being allied outside of the CCS shouls tey choose to go that route. Dont join the CCS just because our nations get along well. Remember that every nation here should have their own agendas as well

As for TRANQUIL, I have almost no Elf population, but I do have 3 semi-autonomous Dwarven states that are liking their station in the DSE less and less who might be willing to contribute.

D&S loves the Elven Alliance idea enough that it might pull her away from Farmville enough to participate if it comes to fruition.

and Geis, the welfare idea is worth exploring as the number of humans recievin beefits would be vastly greater than those with longer lifespans, so while individual amounts would be skewed, long-term overall percentages should fall nicely within accepted ranges. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Bazalonia Oct 12 2012, 06:15 PM

Bazalonia is a parliamentary democracy headed by a Prime Minister. Structurally similiar to Australia except the Governor-General does not represent any queen.

As for Alliances... I'm not sure. We'd certainly be up for one the question is which one?

Anyone but SAAS start bidding for Bazalonian involvement!

Posted by: Cafundéu Oct 12 2012, 09:02 PM

(OOC) That's interesting. That would be nice for me to explore more the history of my nation and its current state. Cafundéu used to be a Monarchy with powers centralized on the Emperor, but now is a Republic in which powers are very divided, so much that the 8 states have even some slight autonomy. Also, what was the country with some of the biggest companies of the region is now passing through a deep crisis. So, still a nation with a strong economy, but one which is struggling to find new ways of keeping this power under a scenario of immense political confusion, popular unrest and oppressive taxes... so, alliances with other nations could help Cafundéu to overcome these difficult times of the transition to the new government. I believe that the current state of the Progressive New Republic, opposed to the globalist and somewhat invasive attitudes of the defunct Empire, makes the country lean more to the CSS, or be a pragmatic nation looking to profit in the middle of the situation... which, thinking well, would fit perfectly the Cafundelense historical characteristics.

Posted by: New Montreal States Oct 13 2012, 05:37 AM

OOC: I've been involved in two colonial conflicts and one legitimate war, all of which had their outcomes decided in advance. I've never been interested in RPing open-ended wars, or calculating realistic army sizes and tech levels, not least because doing this for a slightly postmodern nation of 650 million people would be fairly complicated. Our armed forces, to the extent that their defined, consist of three dozen carrier groups and a powerful land-based airforce.

IC: The NMS are a fairly decentralized (American levels of federalism), bicameral, parliamentary/presidential (French model) system. We stand aloof.

EDIT: We'd like to propose a mutual self-defense/NORAD-style co-ordination of space-based IGNORE cannons with our Bettian neighbors.

SECOND EDIT: Is there any way I can get this "14 Posts! Magic!" tag permanently? I'm really enjoying it. Or maybe it's just all this post-graveyard-shift beer.

Posted by: Geisenfried Oct 13 2012, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Andossa Se Mitrin Vega @ Oct 12 2012, 11:08 AM)

and Geis, the welfare idea is worth exploring as the number of humans recievin beefits would be vastly greater than those with longer lifespans, so while individual amounts would be skewed, long-term overall percentages should fall nicely within accepted ranges. Just my thoughts.

Yeah, probably. I was just using it as a mental example for why a government might be under pressure to make separated systems because of specieal differences and how that might bring about inequity. Things seems to be going smoothly in other directions, so it's probably not something to worry about anyway.

Given Bazalonia and Cafundeu's responses, maybe we should form an Auzerian Ambivalence League. We don't know what we stand for, but we'll stand for it together - maybe.

But more seriously, would Baz and Caf be interested in a sort of sub-regional group? It just makes sense to me that if Geisenfried would 'break' its isolation, it would more readily do so with its neighbors than countries on the other side of the region, given no major ideological differences.

Posted by: Wight Oct 13 2012, 02:27 PM

I thank Falcania for their welcoming me to join the CCS, but I think I will pursue the Federation of Socialist & Syndicalist States with Kinitaria, Star is right, it will make for more political intrigue which is something I'd be interested in trying out. And my established alliance with ASMV just adds to the potentially flammable mix.

Leorudo has two tanks, you say? Hmm. I may have to commission a fleet of armed bicycles. I'm not one to shy away from Mutually Assured Destruction.

Posted by: Cafundéu Oct 13 2012, 04:10 PM

I agree with your idea Geis... it would make more sense for Cafundéu too given the current situation of the country, in which Cafundéu became more isolated, so wouldn't be part of one of the major alliances. I'd like to form a group with you and Baz.

Posted by: Farfadillis Oct 13 2012, 04:25 PM

I would also be intersted in Geis' alliance, given I'm really near to everyone there. If that wouldn't bother you.

Posted by: Geisenfried Oct 13 2012, 07:36 PM

I won't say no (unless you plan on still applying to the CCS, in which case I will say no, if only to prevent entanglement) but I'll leave it to Baz and Caf for their opinions on the matter, if this is going to be a thing.

Posted by: Farfadillis Oct 13 2012, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (Geisenfried @ Oct 13 2012, 07:36 PM)

I haven't decided completely yet. I'm still between the two. Both sound nice. So let's leave it to Cafundéu and Bazalonia to decide then.

Posted by: WTQ Oct 15 2012, 12:14 PM

With WTQ's small size and their enmity towards most hings non-Draconic in nature (not to mention the fact that their floating city is even slower than an old "ironsides" ship), it is higly likely that the Quasmufadis would be more than willing to join any type of spy/assassin group rather than an outright alliancce.

Posted by: Leorudo Oct 15 2012, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 12:06 PM)

Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener? Are there no faces and heels any more except me? I'm out of touch, man!

Well, I would respond if I knew what that meant...I feel so out of touch now...

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 16 2012, 02:31 AM

QUOTE (New Montreal States @ Oct 13 2012, 11:37 AM)

OOC: Is there any way I can get this "14 Posts! Magic!" tag permanently? I'm really enjoying it. Or maybe it's just all this post-graveyard-shift beer.

If you're serious, sure.

QUOTE (LeorudoAOFAccount @ Oct 16 2012, 01:49 AM)

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 11 2012, 12:06 PM)

Also, is everyone a gray-shaded tweener? Are there no faces and heels any more except me? I'm out of touch, man!

Well, I would respond if I knew what that meant...I feel so out of touch now...

It's wrestling terminology. Faces (short for 'babyfaces') are the good guys, heels are the bad guys, while Tweeners are inbetween, usually with their own agenda that they pursue whether they get boos or cheers.

As Starblaydia I tend to play the heel quite naturally - big, powerful, arrogant, strutting around (often rightfully so) as the top dog being cynical, doing nasty things and generally throwing my weight around. The USSR, Nazi Germany, Iran, Venezuela etc. are heel nations. Some nations are great faces, they're democracy-loving, friendly and helpful - the USA, UK, etc. Tweeners may combine elements of both, or completely different character aspects, but they march to their own drum for their own reasons because you can't really put your finger on them, and fans of theirs are totally justitifed in liking them. China and Russia are good examples of this.

It feels to me like the CCS is a tweener alliance, because when you get down to it neither ASMV or Falc is a flat-out heel or face.

However, when everyone is a tweener, the lines are so blurred that often you have no idea who's on what side, or really why other than alliance of convenience or circumstance.

EDIT: I also http://starblayde.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/similarity-of-it-all.html about this idea previously.

Posted by: Falcania Oct 16 2012, 08:54 AM

I like to think that Falcania really goes to extremes on that, being by turns ridiculously villainous and supremely freedom-oriented. A big ol' revolving door of WHAT WILL THOSE CRAZY BIRDIES DO NEXT?!

Posted by: Legalese Oct 16 2012, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Falcania @ Oct 16 2012, 09:54 AM)

yeah, I'm going with Falc (ICly) as a Sting-like character (Steve Borden, that is, not the one who was in Dune) - that is, always to the extreme, and almost always liked even when he was in the heel stable (depending on how you feel about the NWO factions, of course).

As for where I stand, I've avoided jumping in here because I haven't had much time to think about it (RL puts me out of time for another month, roughly), but what I think about is conflicted. ICly, Legalese pairing up with Star feels a little like Poland and Germany being buddy-buddy - it's possible, but doesn't feel like it'll last. As said above, ideology seems to matter less in this fight at this point, especially along the major powers; hell, Starblaydia is presently the most democratic of the three (talk about a face turn there!), but all three seem to want the same thing: to be the region's most powerful nation.

What would I be going after, though? With the direction I need to start elaborating on, I'd say that history would push Legalese in the direction of security and sufficiency - a government and culture that focuses on survival first over rights, and understands the needs for a strong army to prevent Galactica Redux (i.e., the being occupied part - though considering my OOC absence at the time, I anticipate it's not a storyline that works in whatever may come in the regional future), and considering the cultural apathy toward government (my IC explanation for OOC disappearances), allows for a non-political (in the democratic sense) body to step in and run things, and do so without too much concern. In a wrestling sense, I'd be a tweener that does more house shows than TV, but is trying to become relevant by joining the more promising stable - heel or face.

Either way, as long as I don't become the equivalent of http://deadspin.com/virgilbag, I'm good.

Posted by: Wight Oct 17 2012, 05:02 AM

QUOTE (Starblaydia @ Oct 16 2012, 02:31 AM)

As Starblaydia I tend to play the heel quite naturally - big, powerful, arrogant, strutting around (often rightfully so) as the top dog being cynical, doing nasty things and generally throwing my weight around. The USSR, Nazi Germany, Iran, Venezuela etc. are heel nations. Some nations are great faces, they're democracy-loving, friendly and helpful - the USA, UK, etc. Tweeners may combine elements of both, or completely different character aspects, but they march to their own drum for their own reasons because you can't really put your finger on them, and fans of theirs are totally justitifed in liking them. China and Russia are good examples of this.

I like the model of your analogy but without starting a political debate I'm not sure you have all those nations in the right corners of the ring! To me it looks much more crowded over there with the heels, and perhaps only the Scandinavians tag-teaming for the faces.

Wight would probably consider itself the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_wrestling of Wrestling, or in the US/Russia/China/Israel/Nazi Germany model, then probably, um, Cornwall.

Posted by: Vilita Oct 17 2012, 09:44 AM

Unless otherwise Persuaded, we maintain our isolation, allying with no one ... and everyone... at the same time.

Posted by: Falcania Oct 17 2012, 01:26 PM

True, but you also stood prepared to bomb all of ASMV's stadiums and blame me.

Posted by: Blouman Empire Oct 19 2012, 10:35 PM

Is there an alliance or organization that caters to the Royals within AO, one where we can come to together every few months or so and go on hunts, eat cucumber sandwiches and pair up our children for marriage?

In all seriousness though, I wouldn't mind getting more involved within the AO community, however, as I don't have my army set up (as in units and strength documented) I'm not up for getting involved in large scale warfare, I may be able to provide a battalion for peace keeping purposes but that's about it at this stage.

Are there any economic organizations that promote trade and economic development amongst nations? I could get involved in that.

Posted by: Andossa Se Mitrin Vega Oct 21 2012, 11:37 PM

QUOTE (Falcania @ Oct 17 2012, 01:26 PM)

True, but you also stood prepared to bomb all of ASMV's stadiums and blame me.

this

Posted by: Starblaydia Oct 22 2012, 06:02 AM

OK, nice to see bits and bobs going along and popping up, I'm glad you've all replied with your interest and statements.

If you guys want to start meeting threads for individual prospective alliances, or maybe a standard region-wide gathering of... random important people (that we obviously do regularly to save all the introductions) in which conversation turns to alliances?

Perhaps an IC thread in Wapakhoneta for a Regional Coucil meeting would be best?

Posted by: Bazalonia Oct 23 2012, 06:28 PM

AAL sounds like a great idea.

I'm all up for Ambivalence!

Posted by: Savski Venac Oct 24 2012, 03:02 AM

Yup,i guess AO will be a warzone soon

Posted by: Kiryu-shi Oct 24 2012, 04:27 PM

My nation is set up to be an idealistic, post-warfare nation that struggles to actually live up to the philosophies that supposedly guide its governance, and it seems natural to have it be a part of an alliance (such as the one Kinitaria proposed) that caters to socialist states. With no military, though, I'm not sure what use we could be in any international conflict.

Edit: As I read through more of the thread, I would be extremely interested in participating in international disputes by way of my extremist religious minority, who are in the process of interacting with the outside world for the first time in the WC RP thread. For reference, they are anti-every other country, anti-sport, and rabidly socialist. They'd probably welcome an alliance with other socialist leaning nations (as long as we didn't get too buddy-buddy), and would like to go about terrorizing more established nations and trying to incite revolutions. But first they're trying to take back control domestically.

Posted by: Farfadillis Oct 24 2012, 07:56 PM

Avout alliances, my puppet Anksgaard, an almost completely communist nation, would like to join any alliance. Probably one that isn't capitalist.

Posted by: Osarius Oct 26 2012, 07:50 AM

Well, if I can find time, Kryosis has always been -- and always will be -- a psychotic dictatorship (of the dystopian type, with its future-tech and eugenics legislation and complete lack of individuality afforded to citizens and whatnot).

...though I suspect the emperor might be too much of a comic book supervillain, even for the Strategic Alliance of Autocratic States, heh.

That, by extension, would draw Osarius into things, too. What with that shared border and the Council of Rabastor and... oh lord. This is why I stick to sports, Man that was so funny! :D. But this could be fun. I've never really done any RP outside sports on NS, thinking about it... and it seems a bit nuts to think we'd have no diplomatic relations with anyone else.

Posted by: Inevitable Oct 26 2012, 07:59 AM

Well, I'm up for joining an alliance, if a Socialist, Democratic, Techcentric Nation with a focus on science fits anywhere... But nobody has got back to me on exactly where I fit geographically yet. I've not really done much RP, and I don't really know too much about my army, but I'm sure I'll think of something!

Posted by: Kinitaria Oct 26 2012, 09:45 AM

QUOTE (Farfadillis @ Oct 25 2012, 01:56 AM)

Avout alliances, my puppet Anksgaard, an almost completely communist nation, would like to join any alliance. Probably one that isn't capitalist.

QUOTE (Inevitable @ Oct 26 2012, 01:59 PM)

Myself and Wight are soon to be starting up a vaguely leftist alliance, without any real focus on a particular tendency or ideology, if this interests either of you.

Posted by: Farfadillis Oct 26 2012, 01:37 PM

QUOTE (Kinitaria @ Oct 26 2012, 09:45 AM)

Myself and Wight are soon to be starting up a vaguely leftist alliance, without any real focus on a particular tendency or ideology, if this interests either of you.

Well, that'd be wuite interesting. But, remember Anxgâ (official name) is left-wing, not vaguely leftist. Still, sounds like a pretty good idea.

Posted by: Mantwenic Nov 23 2012, 08:51 AM

This sounds really interesting... sorry I'm so late getting on with this but I really am looking for more ways to be involved with AO and this is a pretty neat idea.

I'm not entirely sure where I would fit though... Geis, Baz and Caf's idea sounded appealing... and if nothing else I would be willing to set something up with Boulman Empire. Mantwenic still has it's royal roots with the monarch still having a decent amount of power. I'm not sure due to my small military size how much war I would get into... but I would be more interested in a trading alliance if anything.