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| Posted by: Soul Expression May 28 2004, 06:02 PM |
| Crystilakere has chosen to raise the issues of political freedoms and civil rights as important issues to be explored. Soul Expression has studied the matter and has come to certain conclusions. Crystilakere, although displaying contempt for civil rights, imposes its dictates on the matter, to nations that already have set higher standards in those fields than Crystilakere has. We take this as a dangerous sign of megalomania and have decided to take action. Soul Expression, initiates and encourages other nations to follow, a boycott of Crystilakere and implimentation of trade sanctions until Crystilakere recognizes its lack of civil rights and improves its internal policies in that respect All but diplomatic relations have been interupted between Soul Expression and Crystilakere and will remain so until Crystilakere improves its treatment of human beings. |
| Posted by: Vilita May 28 2004, 06:10 PM |
| Vilita Refuses to support this Boycott of Crystilakere, as VOIA intelligence reports this boycott stems off nothing more than Crystilakere's questioning of how Soul Expression planned to cater to Native members of the already inhabited land Soul Expression was looking to acquire. Never once did Crystilakere raise the issue of Civil Rights, nor imply that Crystilakere was trying to "dictate" a nation with traditionally greater Civil Rights than itself. The lands that the issue rises around have never before been under control of any government, and it's people, native to the outdoors and entirely unknowing of a socially and technologically advanced lifestyle. Vilita supports Crystilakere's desire for information on how the Natives would integrate into the Soul Expression society, government and land, feeling that the question was always going to be asked before any expansion request was approved. |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 29 2004, 12:09 AM |
| How people are treated IS civil rights and Crystilakere should only question Soul Expression civil rights if their own civil rights are adequate, which they are not. Crystilakere has displayed a lack of education or poor literacy. This is why Soul Expression believes that internal improvement of Crysilakere might make it a better nation for the international community to deal with. As it stands now, Crystilakere is a nuisance to international trade and might become a threat to future international endeavors. |
| Posted by: Lieno May 29 2004, 12:45 AM |
| The Holy Empire of Lieno must oppose the imposition of any trade agreements or boycotts targeting the nation of Crystilakere. While our holy empire shares your belief in the civil rights of all peoples, we believe there are other nations with civil rights records worse than the nation of Crystilakere. In our estimation there are other means to promote increased civil rights for the residents of Crystilakere before such drastic actions such as you request are taken. We would also remind the nation of Soul Expression that we are indebted to Crystilakere for offered assistance during the recent regicide in our country. by the order of Emperor Theodore VIII |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 29 2004, 02:39 AM |
| Highly esteemed peoples of Lieno. Soul Expression respects your position and is not in the least resentful. However, we will not digress from our current position v Crystilakere. Although other nations may have less regards for humanity than Crystilakere, only Crystilakere has stepped forth to stall international trade growth, which has cost many nations millions in potential revenues, not to mentioned the millions Soul Expression lost during the delay. Crystilakere expressed concern at the prospect of trade with the peoples of Soul Expression. Well, we are demonstrating to Crystilakere, and to the world, that they need not be concerned with trading with Soul Expression. Soul Expresion maintains its embargo and encourages other nations to join this effort to educate Crystilakere in concerning itself with its own affaires when they have yet to resolve the issues they would dare question other nations upon. Civil rights is being focussed upon here because Crystilakere brought up the subject to begin with. Soul Expression believes it a very appropriate response to Crystilakere's misguided ventures in iternational affairs. Sanctions in place against Crystilakere by Soul Expression: 1) Tariffs for import/export of goods and services have been raised to render trade with Crystalakere unprofitable 2) Quotas for import/exportof goods and have been reduced significantly and allocated in a manner as to render trade with Crystilakere unprofitable 3) All flights to Cristilakere have been cancelled 4) No Crystilakere aircraft is permitted to land on Soul Expression soil or fly through its air space 5) No Crystilakere naval vessel may May dock at our ports or enter our territorial waters 6) There is now a 24 month waiting period for visas emitted to Crystilakermits Seeing as Soul Expression already has almost non-existant relations with Cristilakere and neither of us depend on each other for anything, this is an easy task for us. Objective: For Crystilakere to display efforts in improving their civil rights. Soul Expression would perceive this as clear step forward in understanding and benefitting people, instead of oppressing them.. This would undoibtably improve their perceptions of other nations and hence, their relations with them. |
| Posted by: Vilita May 29 2004, 03:00 AM | ||
Polite telegram sent to Soul Expression Head Government Official: "Note: you don't have any ports until the Crystilakere situation is dealt with, so that's kind of an irrelevant point? Sorry, couldn't resist, dark humor I know. All the best on this fine day." |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 29 2004, 05:09 AM |
| What do you mean? We are ignoring Crystilakere's concerns and went ahead with the expansion. let them declare war if they're unhappy about it. My attempts at rp are being totally overlooked and my time wasted. Either apply the extension now or dont even bother asking me to explain any further, if its to be like that, just delete all my nations from this forum and Ill be on my way. I came to rp but apparently,a few of you dont know how to rp properly(or dont want to). This has been an excercise in patience so far, full of hassles, not the kind of fun I had I had in mind, nor did Tachbe I guess. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 29 2004, 08:26 AM |
| Tachbe left because things did not go as he planned or how he wanted them to. He was tired of having competition in his RP's, when I joined forces with Xile, he was unprepared for this and it is evident in his last battle RP. Before that he was giving us all strategies (that obviously had weaknesses in them that he would exploit to his benefit) to use, he had planned on us using them and thus had the whole war planned out. Then, after my alliance, he proceeded to whine like a little child about people not responding to his PM's and what not. Then he left when we intiated an attack on one of his puppets. I see the same thing happening. I imagine you had not planned on this stiff resistance to your expansion. Leave if you want. I would insert some age old saying here about hanging out in the kitchen and something about heat, but nevermind. |
| Posted by: Stralphi May 29 2004, 09:35 AM | ||
Had you done this for a reason other than Crystilakere's attempt to stop your annexation, I might consider it. |
| Posted by: Xile May 29 2004, 10:21 AM |
| Xile deems that Crystilakere is too esteemed a member of this region, and a strong trading partner. For this reason we choose not to impose economic sanctions at this time. However, we do formally ask that the nation look into the interests of its people, and moreover try to take care of them better. |
| Posted by: Crystilakere May 29 2004, 12:02 PM | ||
Crystilakere never attempted to prevent any annexation by any members, namely soul expression. We simply asked for further clarification on a vaguely presented topic within the proposal, nothing more. |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 29 2004, 04:20 PM | ||
yes but its not rping anymore is it? I am being forced to cater to Crystilakere . I understand competition and such but, my rping is being totally ignored because Im not following someone's intended storyline. You can't choreograph or dictate other players' action, you have to leave players act and say what they want and act in consequence. Had Crystilakere not proven to be a menace to international trade, their internal problems would have gone overlooked. Their deficiencies have become an issue in international affairs. Anyways, Soul Expression totally ignored Crystilakere interests and proceeded with expansion. Thats the end of that. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 29 2004, 04:23 PM |
| Why did this all happen again? Something about Cry... wanting to know how you would treat the citizens of the region you are expanding into? (OOC: VILITA!! Upload the new map already!) |
| Posted by: Vilita May 29 2004, 04:40 PM | ||
Go back and look at the thread again SE. You attacked Crystilakeres internal problems immediately after crystilakere posted a ONE LINE question towards your country about the project. I hardly think that constitutes being a "menace to international trade." You started these shinanigans, don't blame it on Crystilakere. |
| Posted by: Xile May 29 2004, 11:18 PM |
| I would not like to lose Soul Expression as a member of this region, I see them as an active RPer and a good nation. Do not be offended by what we say. We are just trying to defend a nation, we are not 'attacking' you in any form. Sorry if I came across that way. |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 30 2004, 12:58 AM | ||||
You go look, it was only after you insisted I answer Crystilakere's stupid question. Why stupid? Because I had already answered it by my previous post. And then repeated it it, and then again. Only after I copy pasted my original post and pointed to you all exactly where your questions were answered, did the extansion pass. I never added anything but I had to repeat myself inumerable times for it to pass. That a new port of trade in a very active area cannot be opened because one nation questions another on policies they themselves have a poor record with. Not only were all the forthcoming questions pre-answered(should I say anticipated), but Soul Expression was stalled just so you could here us repeat ourselves over and over again. Had Crystilakere put forth serious issues to debate,we might have understood. But all it was a bout was repeating ourselves over and over again because they didnt bother to read the original statement properly. Their poor reading and comprehension have made them intercede in international affairs in a detrimental manner. Taking into accounts Crystilakere's poor record with civil rights, a lack of education is not surprising. Had the Crystilakermits hed a better education, they might not have misunderstood our intentions in our statements. The fact that our statements were , and may very well be again in the future, misunderstood, we believe something must be done about Crystilakere's poor educational standards in order to avoid any other unfortunate, possibly global, incidents. |
| Posted by: Vilita May 30 2004, 01:07 AM |
| The Tropics of Vilita agree that a change in path of the Crystilakere ideals would be beneficial to all in the region, and in Crystilakere. However we do not feel the situation is currently at a level requiring external mediation. However, this stance would chance should the situation worsen. |
| Posted by: Stralphi May 30 2004, 10:55 AM | ||
I recommend that a diplomatic summit on the subject of Crystilakere be started. All nations(except possibly Crystil) will be allowed to send diplomats. |
| Posted by: Holy Saints May 30 2004, 07:57 PM | ||
(ooc: just for your knowledge, its pretty damn hard to actually effectively get the political, civil, and economic ideals that you believe in in the game, for example, i have been striving for litterally a year to get my nation to the status of democratic socialist. I havent been able to. now, with Crystilakere i believe something of the same sort is at work.) IC: The Holy Saints Federal government wishes to decline any recognition of Soul Expression's points as; 1. A countries leader may have different ideals than its actual nation, meaning even though a nation may have low freedoms, the leader believes in high freedoms for the rest of the world, but culturally/economically cannot implement similar values in their society. 2. A nation has no place in judging another nation in such a way and then declaring negative sanctions upon them. 3. In reference to point 2, the problem/dillema should be solved diplomatically with an accord reached. 4. Declaring economic sanctions such as mentioned by Soul Expression can have an underterminable international effect on Crystilakere as a nation, making the situation much worse than already present, forcing the government to extremes, and so on. THS hopes our position will be respected and noted. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 30 2004, 08:00 PM |
| OOC: Even with two issues per day it can be hard to come by at least one that will change ONE of your freedoms. I shudder to think how long it will take for me to get the highest of all three of the freedoms. |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 30 2004, 11:06 PM |
| Trying to attain a particular political state is not the same thing. It will actually affect your civil rights and economy in ways you didnt anticipate. However, raising your civil rights, or political freedoms is actually quite easy. The points you mentioned are good but not valid here. Crystilakere's involvement in interantional affaires have proven to be detrimental to other nations and this problem is a direct cause of their interests, or lack thereof, in civil rights. not to mention poor reading and comprehension skills. It is necessary, for the sake of all nations, that Crystilakere become a competant member of the community and therefore, must make efforts in the rehabilitaion of Crystilakere to this end. Crystilakere should initiate efforts to better itself as a demonstration of its desire to be beneficial to international stability instead of an obstacle. |
| Posted by: Holy Saints May 31 2004, 09:22 AM |
| *ahem* sorry, but he already is an integral, and well founded, stable, and respectable member of the community. it seems like he is only an obstical to you from the start. Also, several of my points had quite important meanings: Point 2: It has been agreed by many nations that problems such as this require a combined ideal and vote before such damaging sanctions are put in place. Point 3: Pretty much the same as above, but really emphasizing the voting part. Point 4: This undertimable effect will be negative. This can only harm the region and sow the seeds of distrust and another war. Dont start that when we are attempting to restructure and reunify the region. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 31 2004, 10:25 AM | ||
No, it's not when you get issues that don't even raise or lower any of your freedoms, but instead effect your environment and other statistics. |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 31 2004, 04:43 PM |
| I beg to differ, almost every issue gives you the opportunity to improve civil rights. Most issues are a decision between civil rights and political freedoms. Sometimes neither, granted, but rarely. Go check out some of my other nations, they all do well in the 3 categories; A Guardian of Forever Lotans Discovery Earning Eric short Getting all 3 categories up strong is difficult. Getting one strong is very easy. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 31 2004, 05:58 PM |
| "Drakes are considered a delicacy, scientists recently cloned the long-extinct feather-bellied drake, long arduous trials are held for the most trivial of offences, and the only places to see drakes now are at local zoos." None of those have had a positive or detrimental effect to either my civil, economic, or political rights. That is four issues. Four or two days worth of issues and none of them effect any of my rights. |
| Posted by: Stralphi May 31 2004, 06:09 PM | ||
That's luck for 'ya. |
| Posted by: Nova Roma May 31 2004, 06:19 PM |
| Horrible I would have to say. But I just got an economice improvement issue ("Don't Dam our rivers, damnit!") so that is good! |
| Posted by: Soul Expression May 31 2004, 08:28 PM |
| Also, I have noticed some issues and their options, are so absurd, you would think monkeys wrote them. Like the public loudspeakers issue. The only positive you can get from it is a boost in economy but all choices will hurt your civil rights and/or political freedoms. The gun issues are similar. Sometimes its best to dismiss an issue. Out of 14 issues in a week, 8,9,10, will give you an opportunity to affect your civil rights and/or political freedoms. Out of the 4 you mentioned, the arduous trials affects your civil rights and the cloning of the ancient drake is a boost to economy. Also, drake is a delicacy which means you chose to eat your national animal which is also a boost to the economy. I doubt you can find an issue that doesnt affect either of the 3 categories. |
| Posted by: Stralphi May 31 2004, 08:34 PM | ||
For completeness, Soul Expression's.
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| Posted by: Nova Roma May 31 2004, 09:04 PM |
| Are we talking noticeable increases (as in an actual change of rights, i.e. strong to thriving?) or just increase in general? The issues do have varying levels of increases/decreases. |
| Posted by: Abattoir May 31 2004, 09:17 PM |
| I will have to follow suit with THS and NA on this one. It may not be his desire to have such freedoms as he does, but he currently has to worry about other things like his economy and so forth. Some leaders just don't want their citizens to have many of anything. I choose to have low political freedoms because its the way I want my country ran. If you choose to put sanctions on my nation, that'd be fine, my economy could withstand it. Most issues do raise or lower some standards, even the ones which seem to effect only the economy. Some people deliberately want lower freedoms, and that's a decision they need to make. However, trade sanctions would not help the before said nation in anyway. |
| Posted by: Xile May 31 2004, 10:26 PM |
| Superb, Frightenining, Benchmark even possible? I've been trying, but every time I get my politcal freedoms up either my civil rights drop, or my economy. |
| Posted by: Holy Saints Jun 2 2004, 02:02 PM |
| Civil Rights: Excellent Economy: Frightening Political Freedoms: Superb thats the best ive EVER found, its the UN rankings for RedCommunist, one of my old buddies. |