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| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 19 2006, 09:11 PM |
| After the success enjoyed both on-pitch and financially by Lamoni in the recent AOCAF XVI, the Myrtannia Association of Football Clubs has decided to propose a new football tournament for the Atlantian Oceania region. This would take the form of an Under-21 competition for national teams, and would be held in the four islands that make up the United Isles of Myrtannia. Here is how the tournament would look: Groups & Finals In the case of 16 entrants, there will be four groups consisting of four teams each, with the top two finishers from each group advancing directly to the Quarterfinals. In the case of 20 entrants, there would be four groups of five teams each, with the top two finishers from each group advancing directly to the Quarterfinals. In the case of 24 or more entrants, the field would consist (minimally) of four groups of six teams each, with the top four sides of each group advancing to the Round of 16. All knockout matches would be single-elimination, and no draws would occur in said matches (extra time, then penalties would decide the winner). In group stage matches, draws would be allowed. Tie-breakers in the group stage would be decided by goal differential, head-to-head, and goals for, in that order. If, for some odd reason, these tie-breakers fail to determine a winner, a special tiebreaking match will be held to decide one. RP Bonus & Scorination The proposed Atlantian Oceania Under-21 Football Cup would be scorinated using vssfree, using the most recent AO rankings. Style modifiers will be included, ranging from -5 (all defense) to +5 (all out attacking). Teams that post a roster will gain an RP bonus for Matchday 1, as well as a small but permanent ranking boost. RP posts will be evaluated based on length and quality, and will provide a maximum of a 5.0 RP bonus towards scorination. Proposed Venues http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/london_wembley.shtml - Capacity 90,000 The largest stadium in the United Isles, it is also the new home of the Myrtannia Dryads national football team, as well as Halosen United of the MAFC. It features state-of-the-art facilities, and consistant pleasant weather for football. http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/future_stadiums/baghdad_olympic.shtml - Salahadin City, Capacity - 80,000. Located in the technology capital of Myrtannia (Salahadin City), Al-Zataar is a field recently built to replace an old field of the same name. The weather is rarely unpleasant here either, as the southernmost island in the United Isles enjoys over 250 days of sunshine each year. It is also the home of the MAFC club Salahadin City. http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_menu/past_future/pictures/past_stadiums/lisbon_luz.shtml - Blackheart. Capacity - 77,800. One of the oldest and most venerable stadiums in Myrtannia, it was built 25 years ago by executives of Mitchell Technologies, one of the UIM's leading defense contractors. It has recently been revamped and is ready for the hosting job of inter-regional magnitude. The Buccaneers of Blackheart FC call this field home. http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/russia/moscow_luzniki.shtml - Vanhaanen. Capacity - 84,745 The oldest stadium in use for the proposed torunament, the Vanhaanen Sporting Complex is located in the central part of Myrtannia's main (or northwest) island. Home to the Vanhaanen MAFC side, it also has been upgraded and maitained well over the years since it was built. http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/ireland/dublin_croke_park.shtml - Mari City. Capacity - 82,500 Considered to be the most modern of all the stadiums in the United Isles, this stadium is located in the captial of the Scandon Island province (northeastern island). Only four years old, it is a major landmark in the top tourist spot in the United Isles. Home of the four-time MAFC Mari City Maulers, it is certainly a suitable spot for comptetition of an inter-regional level. http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/asia/japan/kanto/yokohama_international.shtml - Skalatur. Capacity - 72,370 Built ten years ago by funds raised by the city of Skalatur and retired MAFC great America McNany, Skalatur International houses that city's MAFC team, as well as the Myrtannia High School Football Championships. Constructed with the idea of hosting an international tournament in mind, it has been kept up to high standards since its initial construction. In addition to all these details, MRH Athletic of Myrtannia will design special AO U-21 Football Cup kits for any participating nations who wish to have them. If you are interested in this proposed tournament, consider this the sign-up thread as well. |
| Posted by: Pacitalia Sep 19 2006, 09:22 PM |
| OOC: Why not the current U21WC rankings? I demand my T-1st rank, dangit! |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 20 2006, 01:19 AM |
| Well, if I had access to said rankings, I would be able to use them. Unfortunately, the NS main forums don't seem to work for me, no matter what computer/ISP I use. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 20 2006, 03:49 AM |
| I'm not going to object to the idea but I think it's definately worth noting that there are probably more than a few nations who typically send their U21 to the AOCAF as opposed to a full squad. I thought you were going to bid to host the next AOCAF anyway? |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Sep 20 2006, 05:46 AM |
| I'd say bring it on, as we've lost the Under-21 World Cup on NS |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 20 2006, 02:04 PM |
| I will be making a bid at the next AOCAF, but wanted to get some hosting experience beforehand, too. I realize that more than a few nations already send their U-21 side to AOCAF, but this was just an idea that hit me one day. Of course, if there's not enough interest, I'll just wait it out until AOCAF. Depends on how many nations are interested. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Sep 20 2006, 02:15 PM | ||
| The 'latest' set of U21 rankings I could find, for U21WC21: From http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10560352&postcount=1. Stuck in a quote box rather than a code box to put the AO nations in bold.
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| Posted by: Milchama Sep 20 2006, 06:21 PM |
| Star that is horribly outdated. Oh yeh we sign up etc. etc. This is the most recent one I could find: Milchama 15 Spruitland 14 New Montreal States 14 Pacitalia 14 Haraki 13 Bettia 13 Starblaydia 12 Giant Zucchini 11 Bazalonia 9 Lisburn Mateys 9 Fmjphoenix 8 Hypocria 7 Andossa Se Mitrin Vega 7 East Lithuania 7 Jeruselem 7 Chicanada 7 Nedalia 6 Cuation 5 Nouvelle Angleterre 4 Bedistan 4 Becquerelia 3 Yafor 2 3 Liverpool England 3 CR Oscilloscopes 3 Iksonic 2 Schiavonia 2 Boudra-Boudra 1 The Footie Dream Team 1 The Resurgent Dream 1 The Islands of Qutar 1 Hockey Canada 1 Magnus Valerius 1 To lazy to highlight the AO nations but definitely a much better ranking for certain reasons which shall be made nameless |
| Posted by: The Lowland Clans Sep 20 2006, 06:32 PM |
| Well, what the heck sign us up, I've never even bothered building a U21 team |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 20 2006, 07:43 PM |
| Okay, thanks Milchama for the updated U-21 WC rankings, and Star for putting up the first set, too. It's greatly appreciated. The inaugural AO Under-21 Football Cup will be using the most recent NS U-21 WC rankings, then. So far, we have the following nations signed up: Milchama The Lowland Clans Myrtannia Anyone who's remotely interested is more than welcome to sign up, too. The more the merrirer... or more chaotic. Depends on the sequence of events. |
| Posted by: Az-cz Sep 20 2006, 08:31 PM |
| I'd like to request to make sure that the U-21 and the regular AOCAF rankings are totally separate. |
| Posted by: Demot Sep 20 2006, 08:32 PM |
| might as well start building my U-21s |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 20 2006, 08:38 PM | ||
I'd personally object to using the NS U-21 rankings. The tournament went into the crapper for a while and is still on the rocks as far as I'm aware of, as well as no longer being affiliated with the proper NSWC. I don't think anyone should be subjected to be bound to those rankings. If this is planned as a regular event, there would have to be a poll to determine whether it would be supported to include the U21 results as a factor in the overall AO rankings. |
| Posted by: Pacitalia Sep 20 2006, 09:19 PM | ||
I am of course participating, I was just curious as to what rankings we'll use. It's not going to be the end of the world if NS-U21 ones aren't used, but I'd prefer that since it took me godages to get there. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 20 2006, 09:36 PM | ||
There no difference to you, you're the same rank in both NS U21 and AO  But, naturally, the AO Rankings are a far better representation of the nations currently in AO who would actually be participating |
| Posted by: Bazalonia Sep 20 2006, 10:05 PM |
| Bazalonia Signs up the Bazacubs |
| Posted by: Hypocria Sep 21 2006, 12:53 AM |
| We'll have a go too. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 21 2006, 01:04 AM |
| Okay, I think I'm going to take Vilita's idea and have a pol for participants on whether we use the NS U-21 rankings, overall AO rankings, or start a new AO U-21 ranking system altogether. That way, everybody gets their input in, albeit in poll form. And the AO U-21 Football Cup's field now includes: The Lowland Clans Milchama Myrtannia Demot Pacitalia Hypocria If no one objects, I'll sign up Yihsrael as well in the event that another team is needed to round out the field. For now, they're not, as signups have just begun. |
| Posted by: Pacitalia Sep 21 2006, 01:14 AM | ||||
No? I'm T-1st in NS U21 and 4th in AO. |
| Posted by: Bazalonia Sep 21 2006, 02:03 AM |
| "Um didn't we just sign up a few posts ago" stated a random BFSA official "Yep why we do have seem to have been forgotten about." "Well, let's try signing up again. No need to tell James he'd just get cranky at us." |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Sep 21 2006, 03:51 AM |
| Since when does 'bring it on' not count as a sign-up for something like this? Starblaydia Would Like To Sign Up For This Proposed AO Under-21 Cup Please, Myrtannia That better? Anyways, the ideal system for U21 ranks would be a combination of the AOCAF rankings and NS U21WC rankings, as they're the only two indicators of both AO-only and U21-only talent levels, surely? |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 21 2006, 05:03 AM | ||
Yes, but this would require a new set of rankings to be released  |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Sep 21 2006, 06:32 AM |
| Or, OR, we do the first one in a Baptism of Fire style, where everyone has the same rank and good RPing is hugely rewarded. Note the emphasis is on 'good', rather than short, repetitive, formulaic etc. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 21 2006, 07:47 AM | ||
I'd rather do that than to base it off the current NS U-21 ranks. That just seems silly to do when we've got a bunch of established AO nations fielding U-21 sides in the AOCAF who don't have an NS U-21 rank. There would still remain the question of whether the U-21 becomes part of the AO Rankings or whether it is a seperate rankings system altogether in the future. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 21 2006, 06:47 PM |
| Sorry for excluding Bazalonia and Starblaydia from signing up, it was very late at night when I type up the most recent signup list. Now, it's late afternoon, so I'm more awake than I was back then. SO, the official, updated, and correct signup list should be: The Lowland Clans Milchama Starblaydia Myrtannia Bazalonia Pacitalia Demot Hypocria Is that better? Also, I also like Star's idea of doing the first AO U-21 Football Cup in the BoF style, where everyone has the same rank, and good, non-repetitive/short/formulaic RPs are rewarded handsomely. I believe this is the best solution to how to scorinate the first tournament. And personally, I think AO U-21 rankings should be kept seperate from regular AO rankings, but there is a valid arguement for including them in the overall AO ranking as well. Vil's idea of a poll later down the road is the best solution here, I think. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 21 2006, 07:31 PM |
| V & T sign up as well, of course |
| Posted by: Az-cz Sep 21 2006, 08:38 PM |
| Can you leave the signups open until after the vote is taken? If the AO rankings are separate from the AO U21 rankings I don't plan on participating, but if they're together I might, so I really want to know those results before signups close. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 21 2006, 09:09 PM |
| Well, Myrtannia can always opt to open or allow one of us to open a poll now/soon |
| Posted by: Milchama Sep 21 2006, 10:33 PM |
| didn't NS decide that U21 doesn't count for a reason... Namely being a bigger geek and entering every competition isn't rewarded. Or else the KPBs would be based on the U21, Cherry Cup, and the WCoB and nobody wants that. |
| Posted by: Lamoni Sep 22 2006, 11:31 PM |
| I might sign up if the U-21 is NOT based off of AO ranks. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 23 2006, 12:00 AM |
| Well, Lamoni, the U-21 socrination won't be based off of AO ranks, as I'm going with Star's idea to level the playing field and reward quality RPs handsomely. What we'd be voting on is whether or not the U-21 ranking should be combined into the overall AO ranking. Anyway, here is the updated list of 'for sure' entrants into the AO U-21 Football Cup: The Lowland Clans Milchama Starblaydia Myrtannia Bazalonia Pacitalia Demot Hypocria Vilita & Turori Pending on vote: Az-Cz Lamoni |
| Posted by: Neu Amerika Sep 23 2006, 07:45 PM |
| The Pioneers of the Socialist Union would like to sign up for this so-called 'Under 21' tournament. |
| Posted by: Lamoni Sep 23 2006, 10:06 PM |
| Lamoni signs up. |
| Posted by: Nedalia Sep 23 2006, 10:36 PM |
| Nedalia will send an U-21 squad. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 25 2006, 01:17 AM |
| Based on the votes thus far in the poll, it's safe to assume that the rankings for the inaugural AO U-21 Football Cup will be kept separate from the regular AO rankings. Our official field includes: The Lowland Clans Milchama Starblaydia Myrtannia Bazalonia Pacitalia Demot Hypocria Vilita & Turori Neu Amerika Lamoni Nedalia Still pending? - Az-Cz We have 12 confirmed entrants, which is workable. Still four more would give us 16, which is far more flexible than 12 would be. Signups are still open! |
| Posted by: Az-cz Sep 25 2006, 02:42 AM |
| If you need another to make 16 then I'll join but for the time being I'm gonna take a flier on this one. |
| Posted by: Bettia Sep 25 2006, 03:41 AM |
| You can count the Young 'Uns in too. |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 25 2006, 10:47 AM |
| The AOCAF Forum is ready for your use. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 25 2006, 07:22 PM |
| Thanks for the setup for the AOCAF forum, Vil. I most definitely appreciate it. As for the AO U-21 tournament field, I may need to add you to round it out to 16, Az-Cz. With Bettia for sure, we have 13 confirmed entrants, and if I add Az-Cz and Yihsrael, we'd have 15. So, in other words, we need at least one more entrant. OR, we could go with 15 and have three groups of 4 and one group of 3... ideally, we need 16. |
| Posted by: Bazalonia Sep 25 2006, 08:05 PM |
| I suppose I could do a Miceland team.... though how would you define under 21 for mice considering they have a different average lifespan? |
| Posted by: Vilita Sep 25 2006, 08:30 PM |
| you can add Misrantis if you need a field filler but theres no RP guarantees with them. |
| Posted by: Myrtannia Sep 26 2006, 01:15 AM |
| Well, I could go either way, but I flipped a coin on it (literally) and the winner of the last spot will be Misrantis. Draw and schedule to be posted soon, with roster and RP threads opening up tomorrow. |
| Posted by: Bazalonia Sep 26 2006, 01:40 AM |
| Heh, I was thinking of Withdrawing Miceland anyway. Though I hadn't quite made up my mind. The fact remains.. I DIDN"T HAVE TOO!!! Yay for circumstances working out |