| QUOTE (Lamoni @ Mar 8 2005, 05:55 PM) |
| Marcus White, Economy Minister, The Free Republic of Lamoni |
OOC: That's spooky, I went to school with his namesake
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| Posted by: Latao Mar 8 2005, 08:17 AM |
| The Latao Commerce Society is a group of leading economy representatives from banks, insurance corporations, pharma, electronics and other companies, as well as high politicians of Latao. We're pronounced to present our rating of the top 5 industrial countries in Atlantian Oceania and how we see their chances in a globalized market environment. Factors for our rating are political criterias such as how business-friendly a nation's policy is and real-economy criterias, such as tax rates and the average income of people. Please note, that our report is not the official meanign of the Confederafy of Latao or its officials and its recommendations are pure thoughts, based on real economic facts. The Latao Commerce Society invites all nations to discuss our rating and our recommendations. 1. The Capitalizt Protectorate of New Manhattan New Manhattan is the powerhouse of Atlantian Oceania since ages. Its inrecrible GDP per capita of $45,017.30 per year is un-reached by other countries. We also appreciate the excellent civil rights, but we do however see the need to enhance the political freedoms in the country. The fact, that no income tax has to be paid is a great base for international investments. The huge trade deficit of $1,418,482,601,706.36 is simply a disaster. We recommend a drammatically money-save programme for New Manhattan, before this large sum starts to bring the country into serious trouble. The low unemployment rate of 4.83 % is however a good result for such a large country. 2. The Confederacy of Latao Latao is known as one of the big global players in Atlantian Oceania for a long time, but could never leave the second place and take over leading. Since Latao, still is a relatively small nation, its size might be the limit that prevents it from being on top. However, Latao brings a great and efficient economic landscape to its international investors. The GDP per capita of $44,183.87 is a great result for such a small country and actually the second-highest in the region. The fact, that there is no duty to pay income tax rates brings lots of capital from people from all over the world to the country. Latao should however try to bring more stability into its politics. Latao's large trade deficit of $594,987,916,236.61 is an old problem, the state's household must finally save more money. However the the small unemployment rate of 4.56 % is acceptable in the medium range. 3. The Democratic States of Coketown Coketown is yet a small but quickly developing industrial nation in which we see great chances in becoming one of the big players in Atlantian Oceania. The GDP per capita of $38,263.56 per year is notable high compared to country's size and a serious competitor for the established giants. The flat income tax rate of 15 % is fair and required to develop the country, but should be lowered in the future, not to scare off investors. We do however see the need to improve civil rights and political freedoms in the country. The medium trade deficit of $339,550,973,262.15 is a reason to start saving state money, but the extremely low unemployment rate of only 3.12 % is great. 4. The Empire of Nova Roma Nova Roma is a small nation for which we expect a great future. The GDP per capita of $36,267.77 per year is a great value for such a small country. We would recommend not to enhance the social-welfare-state, as it already reached a comfortable high level. The flat income tax rate of 29 % is on the upper limited but acceptable. Notable is the world benchmark-level of civil rights, but the political freedoms are quite limited in the nation. The tiny trade deficity of $24,941,285,230.65 isn't a problem that the extreme low unemployment rate of only 3.2 % couldn't recover. 5. The Empire of Nojika Although the dictatoric-like regime of Nojika migth scare off many investors and the lack of political freedoms is a risk for stability and economy, Nojika succeeded in building a notable good industrial environment. The GDP of $25,772.79 doesn't make Nojika to a global player, but is a useful basis to reach more. An average income tax rate of 34 % is on the upper limit, but acceptable. The trade surplus of $119,845,535,188.07 and the low unemployment rate of 6.48% tell, that the dictatorship obviously work, however we recommend to keep and accelarate the business friendly reformations in Nojika. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 8 2005, 11:18 AM | ||
I would recommned limiting your observations to nations who are actually active, whether within the region or otherwise. This would discount New Manhattan (a colony of Commerce Heights when the trend was for #sport IRC channel participants to have AO puppets for the AOCAF) and Coketown (whoever they are). Other than that, we welcome and applaud such a detailed examination of our Region's economic situation. Lord Juan Bruntos, Minister of Finance, Protectorate of Starblaydia |
| Posted by: Lamoni Mar 8 2005, 05:55 PM |
| The Free Republic would not be adverse to seeing this same kind of economic analysis covering all of the currently active nations in AO. Marcus White, Economy Minister, The Free Republic of Lamoni |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 8 2005, 06:36 PM | ||
OOC: That's spooky, I went to school with his namesake |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 9 2005, 04:23 AM | ||||
This would mean two things: The Confederacy of Latao is the strongest powerhouse in the region and the richest country :-) Second, New Manhatten seems to be a special economy project, such as Hong Kong, where governments 'try out' things like extreme capitalism. If so, the Confederacy of Latao is interessted in investing in this area to enhance its local economy & industry. Our state will present an offer to take over a stock majority of 60 %, we pay cash :-) |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 9 2005, 04:25 AM | ||
Well, for this, the Latao Commerce Society needs an official list of who is active and who is not. The creation of such a detailed study on all countries migth take us a while |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 9 2005, 06:12 AM | ||
Latao also has the most non-flag like flag in the region. So? Don't tell us about it, TG Commerce Heights. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 9 2005, 06:40 AM |
| This has two possible reasons: - Latao is a pretty self-confident nation regarding its ancient roots and its own style - The State-Founder has no idea how to create a good flag :-) |
| Posted by: Xile Mar 9 2005, 09:44 AM |
| My GDP is 115 trillion, while yours is 54 trillion. I have a trade surplus of 1 trillion, you have a deficit of over half a trillion. Depends on what you look at as strength of economy really, I take all the money from my people, they don't need it anyway. With ALL this cash at the hands of my government, we are much more POWERFUL economically, if you look at it that way. Your people have more money in their pockets, but they spend most of it on their leisure and cappacinos. BFD. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 9 2005, 10:31 AM |
| This is in fact an interesting point of view that Xile has brought into this discussion. The Latao Society of Commernce however counts the freedom of business and therefore the freedom of using the money the way you want is even more important that a clean state household. As the Society reports, it’s one of the most urgent issues that Latao’s government has to face in the next few years. We think that the survival of this government is decided by the question, of the state’s financials. We wonder, that the officials of the Sacrosanct Realm of Xile do not think, that an extreme high tax duty of 100 % scares off all investors, that’s actually communism and doesn’t have much in common with free marketing. How can one make a benefit of his investments if the state takes all the return of invest (ROI) away – and that leads us to the next question: How defines what is where and when and how to invest ? If we take a look at the few political freedom in Xile, the Society does not think, that this question is decided in a democratic manner. |
| Posted by: Abattoir Mar 9 2005, 12:54 PM |
| Yes, and if we look at Latao, whose population of over one billion has no tax revenue spent on defence, we see that it would take little effort to absorb your capitalist regime. We commend your efforts of categorizing nations in the Atlantian Oceania region, but we ask you not to condemn the effects of certain governments. If your administration has not also noticed, the nation of Xile is in a highly powerful alliance in which the nations spend the majority of their taxes on defences. The nation of Abattoir has a GDP more than twice that of Latao, and a trade surplus of over 500 billion. Domestically, yes, your nation has much more economic activity. Globally however, Abattoir is a powerhouse, along with the nation of Xile. Keep up with the statistics, but don't toot your own horn too much or we'll buy a bigger one. Austin Herring Foreign Affairs Advisor |
| Posted by: Xile Mar 9 2005, 01:07 PM |
| We don't need your dirty foreign investments! Foreign interest in our country is a liability. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 9 2005, 01:32 PM | ||
The five strongest (active, non-puppet) currencies (and their worth in US$) in AO are:
Consider also that positions 2 through 5 are part of a full political, economic and miltary alliance, the Strategic Alliance of Autocratic States, the Confederacy of Latao should be careful not to boast of its dependance on economic successes, lest it be seen as a target for a hostile takeover. Statistics issued by the Starblaydi Foreign Ministry's NSEconomy Viewing Committee. |
| Posted by: Fmjphoenix Mar 9 2005, 02:25 PM |
| The Department of Commerce of Fmjphoenix would like to ask Starblaydia what The Strategic Alliance of Autocratic States is exactly. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 9 2005, 03:44 PM | ||
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Strategic_Alliance_of_Autocratic_States OOC: Actually its an attempt to create a group within the region other than AORDO. Everyone in AO seems to be on the same team, so I thought we should create a new one and the Strategic Alliance was born. An 'opposition' alliance/entente/treaty (a NATO to our Warsaw Pact, for instance) would be cool to see. |
| Posted by: Lamoni Mar 9 2005, 05:50 PM |
| OOC: That's pretty good on my part then, Starblaydia; as I picked the name at random. I'd suggest an alliance to counter the Autocratic States, but that would eventually lead to a war, i'd say. Better for me to regather my strength when the current war is over. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 9 2005, 05:57 PM | ||
War, Cold War, Yelling at each other over a diplomatic table, it's all good. I think that the ideal 'opponent' for the Strategic Alliance would be a Treaty-Agreement-Defence-type thingy, as democracies tend not to fully ally themselves without good reasons like bombs landing on their flowers. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 10 2005, 07:50 AM |
| Jo Buchwalder, CEO of Latao's largest bank, the 'Credit Latao', said in the 'Finance Week' about Xile "These commies, steal the money from their own people - this is what i call larceny." |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 10 2005, 07:56 AM |
| "Any other business?" Asked Lord Starblayde. "Just this, my Lord," Juan Bruntos spoke up, the Minister for Finance, "Some weirdo in Latao has labelled Xile, of all places, as Communist." "Communist?" Tiberius frowned. "They're a Captialist Paradise, for crying out loud, even the UN says so." "I know, my Lord, maybe the Latao people don't know much about politics." "Well ,they actually have politics," Tiberius joked, "they can't know anything about politics if they actually engage in it." |
| Posted by: Abattoir Mar 10 2005, 08:32 AM |
| "Communists..." the President coughed out while trying to stiffle a giggle. He was still laying in the bed with his illness, and couldn't think too clearly. "I say we just take over the Regional Council! That'll teach those name calling...hmm...what's the word." he snorted out above his fever. Herring was more than puzzled by this comment and was forced to speak out of place. "Sir, we already have control of the Regional Council. We sent in a special forces team weeks ago, as you requested!" "YOU DID WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?" the President croacked out while launching up in his bed like a rocket. On top of another coughing fit he got rather dizzy, and decided he must lay down. "So we've got people accusing allies of being communist, just because the government knows how to spend their money better than they do. Now my moron administration goes and tries to start an international incident. In the name of Lavinsky I hope I get better soon." he thought to himself. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 10 2005, 08:44 AM |
| Latao adept Freddy Stevens says, that it's the mind that makes the difference. Most Latins look at the state itself as something 'social' - it's a truly pain in the ass for them, being forced to develiver their hard-earned money to these administrative moloch, that doesnt do much smart things with their bucks. "Why should I stand up every damn morning, work my ass off day by day when some functionary comes and takes my money away just to support some riffraff that's afraid of hard work ?" - "Taxes dont form a social society, either one is social and lives that way of live or he's not" he adds. "You can't force people to be social, nor u can't force them to help" - "just leave the people's money so they can help themselves" Old Freddy doesn't see a general problem at all "there might be a few radical exponents with more or less weird sights at things" he accomplishes. "These people may even take seats in Latao's government or important corporations, but they dont represent the entire society". I personally do agree, that low tax duties are the key to successfull financial polities and personal freedom. A random passanger on the street nods and adds "see, the Latins aren't less patriotic than people in other nations, we're actually better in many things that these great powers who didn't archive more than a giant number of debts! No! The people of Latao love their country, but they do not adore the state's huge administration" Suddenly a crazy girl becomes part of the show and yells "The problem with the Latins is, that they are selfish! They wanna drive their fat cars thru whole Oceania but care a -explicitive removed- about others" Thanks God, this phreak ran away as fast she came - so we dont have to comment this. It's our god damn right to drive our BMWs Mercedes-Benzes, I mean WE WORK! Why should I feel bad about that ? "When I need new spares or support for my car, *I* generate work and trade!" |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 10 2005, 08:56 AM |
| "You know, Vi," Tiberius said as he changed channels, "these Latins really confuse me." "Why's that?" She asked, sliding up to him on the couch. "They don't pay any taxes," he said, "yet they seem to feel their hard-earned latinums go into a massive government machine. We have nearly seven times the amount to spend that their government does. "Low taxes may give more personal freedoms, but they don't allow the state to provide anything for its people. We spend nearly as much on Healthcare as their entire budget. I just... don't get it." "There are some odd people in the world, Tiberius," Viannor replied, wrapping her arm across him, "and we meet more of them every day." |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 10 2005, 09:47 AM |
| Financial auditor and 'McKinsey Latao' Boss Osswald sees the problem in the increasing public burocracy. Mr. Osswald, do you think, the Confederacy is beeing subjugated by left-ideology ? I wouldnt actually say 'left ideoligy' - it's the damn paper tigers that wrap all tasks into miles of red tape. What do you mean exactly ? Our democratic state instutions defined by our constitution have worked since centuries. We have clear seperation of powers, especially an executive and a leglislate, that's OK - even that our parliament is kinda large, especially on local levels. The base problem i see, is that we have too many departments and offices, that want to regulate and define each crap. It's a wonder that there isn't a state office of toiler paper that tells people how to clean their aaa and a chief of that office who takes another 500.000 Latinums salary per year. So the Solution is less Sate ? Yes, we clearly need to tighten our administration. Just look at the mountain of debts these insane have created in less than 20 years! Where should that end ? Someone has to pay that one time - our children. How can we exactly 'tighten our administration' ? We can save money in areas such as culture and public services. Why should the state provide the people with 'services' that are rarely used ? The few doodles that need a public train at 3am in 300 people village shall buy a car - where's the problem ? It just dont make sence. If you want a service, buy it on your own - this way you pay exactly the things you need, nothing more, nothing less. Another point is the engagements in foreign countries, that's the job of the UN and the AO regional council. We should simply tell these people, that we have to save and we can't all the sums they want from us. Period. We must spend our money here, that's where we live, that's our environment we're in, here are our problems, not in Starbladyia, not in Vilita. This also means, that we must to tighten our network of embassies. What do we need an expensive embassy with diplomatic personnel in every banana republic for ? Have you ever noticed what these diplomatic babblers earn ? This chore costs us millions of Latinums every year. Foreign voices say, Latao is a good place to live in already, especially since we do not have to pay any taxes... Taxes are immoral. How would you explain them ? What does the state actually do for us that legitimiate talking people's money away ? The Confederacy have different sources of money than the pockets of the small man. Just look at the gorgeous win our federal bank archived again this year. Thank you Mr Osswald. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 10 2005, 10:16 AM |
| "I sure would hate to be sick, or unemployed if I lived in Latao," Tiberius said, "or even disabled. They don't spend anything on their unfortunates, what if you don't have enough money to pay for things the government can't provide?" "Will you shut up and put that report down?" Viannor snapped at him. "And turn the light off, I need to get some sleep." "Sorry, babe." |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 10 2005, 10:29 AM |
| "Take the woman the damn report away" yells the guy from the neighbour room in the hotel "this is not god damn Latao here" |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 10 2005, 10:40 AM |
| "See what you've done now?" Viannor said, rolling over and taking more of the cover than was really necessary, "You've offended whatever Ambassador, Business Tycoon or Gangster is in the next room. I told you we should use your official residence." "But," Tiberius began, realising he'd already lost the arguement, "Okay." |
| Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 10 2005, 10:47 PM |
| (ooc: where the hell are you guys getting these GDP and trade surplus figures!? and how do you determine your nation's currency strength? the last calculator i saw was much more deficient than that!) oh, wait, found it. I own ya'll in trade surplus: The Holy Saints ($2.60 trillion) ... somehow lamoni manages to spend 15% of his GDP on defence but gets more than my 48 percent. and his economy is imploded, but he has a 300 some trillion dollar GDP... glitch i say! glitch! THS- Administration: $0.00 0% Social Welfare: $3,903,430,774,320.00 4% Healthcare: $0.00 0% Education: $11,710,292,322,960.00 12% Religion & Spirituality: $13,662,007,710,120.00 14% Defence: $46,841,169,291,840.01 48% Law & Order: $11,710,292,322,960.00 12% Commerce: $3,903,430,774,320.00 4% Public Transport: $2,927,573,080,740.00 3% The Environment: $2,927,573,080,740.00 3% Social Equality: $0.00 0% As for admin... no wonder my corruption puts me at #2... |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 11 2005, 04:43 AM | ||||||
Um, No? Lamoni has 4.6 Billion people, all paying every single piece of money they earn towards the state, pretty much. This gives him $370 Billion to play with. The Holy Saints has 4.2 Billion people, doing exactly the same thing with tzexs. This give THS $114 Trillion to play with, thanks to a 'Frightening', rather than 'Imploded' Economy. OK?
So they may be the land of the Free, but they're the home of the poor, too. EDIT: Oh, and just to show I'm not gloating at Lamoni's economy:
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| Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 12 2005, 12:30 AM | ||
oh crap, i saw 3 extra zeros... no sleep i say, none at all! |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 13 2005, 09:12 AM | ||
Thousands, Millions, Billions, Trillions... um... Crap-loads! |
| Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 13 2005, 01:17 PM | ||||
dude... lamoni's people only have less than 10 bucks a year worth of stuff. that blows... i dont think i could EVER live off of 10 bucks a year. |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 13 2005, 01:22 PM | ||
The wonders of an Imploded Economy where your own currency is worth less than half a cent. Gotta love it  |
| Posted by: Lamoni Mar 13 2005, 08:27 PM |
| That's what happens with a 100% tax rate. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 14 2005, 03:45 AM |
| Half Lamoni is owned by private Latin people ;-) |
| Posted by: Starblaydia Mar 14 2005, 05:53 AM | ||
Not quite, I had a 100% tax rate for a while and my currency never dropped below the dollar mark. Combine that with a crap economy and that'lll certainly explain it. |
| Posted by: Lamoni Mar 14 2005, 03:03 PM | ||
Says who?  |
| Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 14 2005, 06:30 PM | ||
thats what i have, but i have 1.4 and frightening. |
| Posted by: Abattoir Mar 14 2005, 06:51 PM |
| Ah yes. Mine is frightening with 100% tax rate, and my dollar is worth a -explicitive removed-load, only under Latao's. Therefore...I dont see how a dictatorship is such a bad thing, I know how to spend people's money better than they do. |
| Posted by: Bedistan Mar 14 2005, 09:37 PM | ||
...and mine (þ1 = $1.9780), but I'll forgive that since I've only been here two days.  |
| Posted by: Abattoir Mar 15 2005, 12:28 PM |
| Yes, aren't you just special :-) |
| Posted by: Holy Saints Mar 15 2005, 07:49 PM |
| [n00bishness]l3t5 !n\/@d3 h!m, ! w@nt th@t m0n3y!!!!11!!oneoneoeoneone!!1111shiftone! [/n00bishness] |
| Posted by: Rendition Mar 15 2005, 08:24 PM |
| According to the United Nations, Rendition is the most pro-market nation in our region. Go figure. |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 16 2005, 03:58 AM |
| Latao welcomes the new global Player that will freshen the economic competition ;-) |
| Posted by: Latao Mar 16 2005, 10:38 AM |
| Hail Latao! Exchange Rate: 1 latinum = $1.9578 GDP Per Capita: $44,245.76 Unemployment Rate: 4.58% |
| Posted by: Krytenia Mar 25 2005, 09:33 PM | ||||
[OOC: Couldn't resist.] Overheard in a bar near the Krytenian Finance Office: "So, I said to the Latin Finance Minster, 'Nice Treasury. I'll give you twenty bars of latinum for it.' He just looked at me blankly." "Probably put off by those hideously large ears, Greg." |
| Posted by: Nova Roma Mar 25 2005, 10:59 PM |
| It would appear that an update to these economic statistics would reveal that Nova Roma has the second most powerful currency in the region, not including that of New Manhattan, who's currency is equally strong as ours. :Qvaestor Titvs Arcarivs |